Pro Isrial or Pro Palistine

[sysyphus]

Granted. But many Palestinians support Hamas and terrorist activity. In fact, I'm hard pressed to think of any substantial group of Palestinians who don't. Can you supply one?

No I can't since I don't know any of them personally, but seeing as Hamas took substantially less than 100% of the vote, I am quite certain there are many of them out there.

 

[Perfection]

I support no nations (directly at least) but all people.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

I support no nations (directly at least) but all people.

Same here

 

[Fox Mccloud]

No I can't since I don't know any of them personally, but seeing as Hamas took substantially less than 100% of the vote, I am quite certain there are many of them out there.

What percent of Palestinians did vote for Hamas?

 

[Elrohir]

No I can't since I don't know any of them personally, but seeing as Hamas took substantially less than 100% of the vote, I am quite certain there are many of them out there.

They receieved 42.9% of the vote, winning them 75 of 132 seats. Simple math shows that they control a majority of the Palestinian "government". Fatah got another 41% of the vote, and under Yasser Arafat they committed many terrorist acts. That's 84% in those two parties, both terrorist parties. There may be a very few minor parties who truly want peace; the vast majority do not.

And while Palestine refuses to accept peace without destroying Israel, they can't be dealt with.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

The press is almost uniformly anti-Israel, anti-Palestine.

The only thing the press in general talks about is what is sensational, people dying, gunfights, and big explosions. They couldn't care less which side is winning or which side is right. It all about ratings, not about support. I am annoyed when people talk about the press as anything idealized to the point that it could be for or against anything as a group. Individuals in "The press" can support one side or another and try to spin their reporting either way but not "The Press". I don't see it. It's a business, people!

Both sides are killing, and neither side is making positive gestures because they know that the other side will press the advantage they would get as a result.

I don't support foreign combatants of any stripe. I'll just give my money to the Red Cross. At least I get a tax deduction.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Pro-peace.

 

[blackheart]

And while Palestine refuses to accept peace without destroying Israel, they can't be dealt with.

On the flip side, I'd like to point out nivi's comments where he would not accept an Israel with a any major Palestinian power in the government, so you have a catch-22 where both sides don't want to to share with the other.

 

[TheDervish]

Both sides have resorted to violence, thus I don't see either side as having moral superiority over the other. That being said, I hope the day comes soon when each side no longer has issues with the other and that they are both safe and happy. I think this is possible but it will take work.

 

[Billy Rubin]

Imho, there allready is a palestinian state - when the british protectorate palestine was split, a jewish (Israel) and an arab (Jordan) state was founded. They should have called Jordan Paletine to clear things up imho.

True, the arabs never accepted the solution, but that's their problem - there's no way of denying that a palestinian state does exist. If Israel would retreat to the borders of 1967, it first wouldn't be strategically viable and second, the arabs would immediately demand another state inside Israels territory.

I used to be pro-palestinian until about ten years ago, but then changed my opinion, mainly because I came to the conclusion that many of the self-proclaimed palestinians are just self righteous hateful fascists that wont stop stating claims after receiving another palestinian state.

There were about 250.000 real palestinians living in the whole area until the first zionists arrived and irrigated the land, which attracted non-palestinian arabs in thousands now calling themselves palestinians - I don't regard any of their claims justified.

 

[sysyphus]

They receieved 42.9% of the vote, winning them 75 of 132 seats. Simple math shows that they control a majority of the Palestinian "government". Fatah got another 41% of the vote, and under Yasser Arafat they committed many terrorist acts. That's 84% in those two parties, both terrorist parties. There may be a very few minor parties who truly want peace; the vast majority do not.

Elections are rarely single issue and it is well shown that the vote revolved around domestic issues.

As well, Fatah likely gained a substantial number of votes that would have gone to other parties by people strategically voting against Hamas, since Fatah was the only party with a viable chance of beating Hamas.

You can't read the mindset out of a population from the results of one election.

 

[Elrohir]

On the flip side, I'd like to point out nivi's comments where he would not accept an Israel with a any major Palestinian power in the government, so you have a catch-22 where both sides don't want to to share with the other.

There are Arabic and Muslim members of the Israeli parliament. How many Israeli members of the Palestinian government are there, I wonder?

And if that's the worst thing Israel has done, forgive me if I'm unimpressed. Israel doesn't have the proper proportion of Arab legislators to Arab population, oh noes! The Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel; I find that to be a lot more important. Once they stop that, we can deal with the little stuff.

Elections are rarely single issue and it is well shown that the vote revolved around domestic issues.

As well, Fatah likely gained a substantial number of votes that would have gone to other parties by people strategically voting against Hamas, since Fatah was the only party with a viable chance of beating Hamas.

You can't read the mindset out of a population from the results of one election.

So it's ok to vote for a terrorist organization in an election, if you don't think they're quite as bad? That's not going to fly. The fact is the majority of the Palestinian people support terrorists - and until they stop that, there's not going to be peace. Not because Israel won't agree to peace, but because they have to keep fighting to survive.

There's one side keeping this fight going, and I'll give you a hint who it is: It's not Israel.

 

[blackheart]

There are Arabic and Muslim members of the Israeli parliament. How many Israeli members of the Palestinian government are there, I wonder?

And there's guaranteed to be at least one Christian MP in Iran, what does that prove?

And if that's the worst thing Israel has done, forgive me if I'm unimpressed. Israel doesn't have the proper proportion of Arab legislators to Arab population, oh noes! The Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel; I find that to be a lot more important. Once they stop that, we can deal with the little stuff.

Don't tout your democracy if it isn't democratic.

 

[tomsnowman123]

Pro-peace.

Hooray, that's the best answer yet.

 

[Volum]

I think their both acting like morons and so they deserve to be destroyed by radioactive monkeys.

 

[zenspiderz]

They receieved 42.9% of the vote, winning them 75 of 132 seats. Simple math shows that they control a majority of the Palestinian "government". Fatah got another 41% of the vote, and under Yasser Arafat they committed many terrorist acts. That's 84% in those two parties, both terrorist parties. There may be a very few minor parties who truly want peace; the vast majority do not.

And while Palestine refuses to accept peace without destroying Israel, they can't be dealt with.

The phrases in bold are where you betray your bias and your ignorance.

For the Zionist owned or influenced media from which you recieve ALL your information on the situation DEFINES 'wanting peace' as total submission to the brutal and racist isreali regime. Anyone who fails to bow their head before zionist supremacy is a 'terrorist'. An Isreali may casually murder any number of palestinians and yet never be mentioned by the US press. Even when isrealis kill american peace protestors like Rachel Corrie or attack US military units like the USS liberty .. the US media is sure to lick the zionist boot and DISinform the american public of the real events in favour of the Racist regime called Isreal.

Check out facts of what I am talking about and think about its significance....

 

[Elrohir]

And there's guaranteed to be at least one Christian MP in Iran, what does that prove?

That the Iraniens are trying to make it look good. And yes, that's what Israel is doing with their Arab legislators. But if I recall correctly, we're talking baout Israel and Palestine - not Israel and Iran.

Don't tout your democracy if it isn't democratic.

Democracy always needs work. But even an imperfect democracy is better than a terrorist state.

The phrases in bold are where you betray your bias and your ignorance.

For the Zionist owned or influenced media from which you recieve ALL your information on the situation DEFINES 'wanting peace' as total submission to the brutal and racist isreali regime. Anyone who fails to bow their head before zionist supremacy is a 'terrorist'. An Isreali may casually murder any number of palestinians and yet never be mentioned by the US press. Even when isrealis kill american peace protestors like Rachel Corrie or attack US military units like the USS liberty .. the US media is sure to lick the zionist boot and DISinform the american public of the real events in favour of the Racist regime called Isreal.

Check out facts of what I am talking about and think about its significance....

Why don't you read some real news reports, and stop listening to wacked out conspiracy theories spouted by idiotic anti-semites? Seriously...."Zionists" control the US media? You sound like a Goebbels clone.

 

[greenpeace]

I love everyone so therefore I am pro-both sides.

 

[blackheart]

That the Iraniens are trying to make it look good. And yes, that's what Israel is doing with their Arab legislators. But if I recall correctly, we're talking baout Israel and Palestine - not Israel and Iran.

Like I said, don't tout your democracy if it isn't democratic.

 

[Elrohir]

Like I said, don't tout your democracy if it isn't democratic.

Israel is a democratic country.