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Could you explain that one to me again?
Proposal to Firaxis
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Could you explain that one to me again?
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
My rumors are just that rumors I heard. Not all are from credible sources (and some that are from credible sources can still be wrong for various reasons).
I agree with kring, it would be in Firaxis' and Atari's best interest to inform potential customers as early as possible about what they are getting. If I purchased PTW just weeks before the release of Conquests only to find out that it was included I'd be pissed off.
I agree with kring, it would be in Firaxis' and Atari's best interest to inform potential customers as early as possible about what they are getting. If I purchased PTW just weeks before the release of Conquests only to find out that it was included I'd be pissed off.
The idea of best of the net is to have the latest vastly improved versions of the best mods today. They would come with new units, new leaderheads and considerable more improvements. One problem however is that many of the top mods use graphics from sources that raise copyright issues. This happened with the release of PTW and unfortunately many of the mods found on the CD were watered down versions. This will not happen with this project because all units on the CD will be derived from Civ or original ones made by us specifically for this project. Any mods that use other sources would have to drop them BUT once best of the net is released updates could be posted online putting some of these units back in.
In saying that however, I should emphasize that we are aiming to have complete versions of the mods on the disk and avoid what took place with release of PTW.
Hope this answers your question I have a knack for giving the most complicated answer to the simplest inquiry.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Which (Ironically) might happen to me (tomorrow's my Birthday, and I hope for PTW
)Now Firaxis, don't upset me
Jurimax
Duke of Flanders
I'm definitely supporting your cause.
BTW, have you contacted Kryten yet? His multi-figure units are fantastic.
Another option could be, as someone stated earlier, to sell the BotN as a separate item. That way you won't have people complaining that they payed for something they didn't wanted, and those who do want it can still purchase it. This would however increase the costs dramatically, packing, etc...
Greets Jurimax
BTW, have you contacted Kryten yet? His multi-figure units are fantastic.
Another option could be, as someone stated earlier, to sell the BotN as a separate item. That way you won't have people complaining that they payed for something they didn't wanted, and those who do want it can still purchase it. This would however increase the costs dramatically, packing, etc...
Greets Jurimax
Yes Kryten has been contacted and we are looking forward to adding his great work onto the CD along with a number of new creations of his.
That is exactly the option we will pursue if unable to be included in Conquests. Thanks for your support!
That is exactly the option we will pursue if unable to be included in Conquests. Thanks for your support!
Kryten
Smeee heeeeed
I am 100% behind this great project, and think that it is an excellent idea. 
We all wish that Firaxis could make this unit or scenario, if only they had a bigger staff and more time.
Well....with this "Best of the Net" disk, WE THE PLAYERS can add many of those things that Firaxis due to other commitments cannot.
We all wish that Firaxis could make this unit or scenario, if only they had a bigger staff and more time.
Well....with this "Best of the Net" disk, WE THE PLAYERS can add many of those things that Firaxis due to other commitments cannot.
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It should come with the Conquest expansion
embryodead
Caliph
I can't say I like the idea that popular mods that were always free will be suddenly charged for. I know it's hard and time-consuming work - I spend all of my free time on making units now, but I enjoy it - it's a part of the game.
Also the mods were dependant on many creator's units, which do not take part in the project. They aren't copyrighted elsewhere, but still, they are other people's work. What about that? Will you strip all your mods from the stuff which is free now?
Also the mods were dependant on many creator's units, which do not take part in the project. They aren't copyrighted elsewhere, but still, they are other people's work. What about that? Will you strip all your mods from the stuff which is free now?
Isak
Civ4 Scenario Designer
Stuff that has already been uploaded, won't be pulled down again. This is about new content, not slightly updated versions of the mods currently available.
If unit creators don't want their stuff on the cd, I'm sure all modders would refrain from using them. There will be at least 100 new units shipped with this - units that won't be created if the project folds - I'm sure that's enough to replace any units that need to be removed.
embryodead
Caliph
Isak, it was said several times, that the CD will contain new versions of the most popular mods like DyP not available for free download. So am I right or not?
I'm afraid this will be the end of the fans and modders community as we know it. I started taking part in it, by providing units, just because I like the idea - where there is one big pile of free stuff that players can use to make mods from. If the BotN will be released separately (most likely, if you've read atari's comment) that will be sort of another XP = another problem for modmakers, and mod users.
Of course if BotN is released free with C3Q, and Atari wishes to pay those most commited people, that's perfectly ok.
I'm afraid this will be the end of the fans and modders community as we know it. I started taking part in it, by providing units, just because I like the idea - where there is one big pile of free stuff that players can use to make mods from. If the BotN will be released separately (most likely, if you've read atari's comment) that will be sort of another XP = another problem for modmakers, and mod users.
Of course if BotN is released free with C3Q, and Atari wishes to pay those most commited people, that's perfectly ok.
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
If it is published by Atari, they can use anybody's mods that they want in it. Read the section of the EULA about mods sometime. It appears that Atari (previously Infogrames) owns all mods to Civ3 and can publish them or not at their discretion.
Is this legal? Depends on how good your lawyers are.
Isak
Civ4 Scenario Designer
I understand that this may be a bit difficult to grasp. I will try to explain.
In the case of the DyP mod, we have absolutely no plans to stop developing and enhancing the freely available version(s) of the DyP mod any time soon - most likely not until Civ4 is released, if real life allows.
The DyP version that would end up on the cd would be a radically different mod, to be honest, with twists that we do not currently have the time or the available 'extras' to implement. We may never get the time to create this version, if this project doesn't take off. And that's not a silly prospect at all. We all have real life jobs and families, that we can not put on hold, especially if our only excuse for doing so, is the fact that we're modding for fun.
I don't think I should be paid for work I've already done. In fact I will not accept any pay for the year's worth of modding I have already invested in this. I did that because I thought it was fun and a great experience. No remorse, whatsoever.
But we have more ideas lying around in our shelves and drawers, and have all the intention of carrying out these ideas, but absolutely no extra time to do it in.
So you may think 'well that's just tough' and you may be right. But heck, we didn't twist anybody's arm around here (right Jeff? Say yes Jeff, or I'll pull harder
) This is after all a proposal, not a threat, though it definitely looks like some people tend to perceive it more as the latter. Don't worry, we're not threatening to close down the modding community, and take our stuff with us on the way out the door - we wouldn't even have the power, no matter how many of the 'heavy modders' we could persuade to support us. That is not at all what this is about.This is about realizing ideas, that most likely won't see the light of day otherwise. This is also about requesting official aid and recognition. Most of all, it's about enhancing the game we all love, for those who love it as much as we do.
It's a proposal, not an ultimatum.
And don't forget - enhanced versions of existing mods, is just a small part of this project.
embryodead
Caliph
Fine, but I doubt someone dumped this way will continue to provide anything for the community... Also they don't own unit graphics just because they are part of a mod - AoE units for example.
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
IANAL, but I did sleep at Holiday Inn express last night...
You are correct, AoE units can't be included because they are infringing on Microsoft's copyrights. The mod maker was technically breaking the law by distributing them in the first place.
Read your EULA sometime. Seriously. In the USA, it is mostly considered a legal contract. And you are bound by it. It's worth knowing what you are legally bound to.
You are correct, AoE units can't be included because they are infringing on Microsoft's copyrights. The mod maker was technically breaking the law by distributing them in the first place.
Read your EULA sometime. Seriously. In the USA, it is mostly considered a legal contract. And you are bound by it. It's worth knowing what you are legally bound to.
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
I'm not trying to be a hard-ass, I'm just pointing out the legal rules that Atari can play under.
Tonsoffun
Chieftain
I would really like to see this happen. I will pay any amount of money for it really even if i dont think its fair, just because its something for Civ. The only thing Im concernded about is that it needs to be better done than everything on PTW. I think it needs a way to use this content that is much more user friendly than the extra content on PTW and it looks like it will be that way if its made. Im behind this all the way.
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