Prove to me that Creation is false.

Yup, you were right. I didn't know there was a genetic Adam too.
 
I see major holes being blown out of the religionist's 'evolution is junk' argument!

(again)

:yeah:
 
Well, I'll be darned if it's hard to hit the evolution is junk argument with anything at all. There're already so many holes that everything just goes right throught!
 
Okay... we've heard no arguments against that proof... do we want to say that the scientists have finally beaten the religionists? Have we proved Creation false?
 
BassDude726 said:
Okay... we've heard no arguments against that proof... do we want to say that the scientists have finally beaten the religionists? Have we proved Creation false?
You bet!!! Let's celebrate our victory!!! :goodjob:
 
BassDude726 said:
Okay... we've heard no arguments against that proof... do we want to say that the scientists have finally beaten the religionists? Have we proved Creation false?

Creation never had a footing in the logical arena.

They will never admit defeat - Illogical mindsets are hard to undo.

The best way is too nod politely and ignore them.

;)
 
puglover said:
You have no evidence that Judaisim was made up by scared little ancient camel-herders. You say our beliefs are based completely on blind faith, but so is that post.
It's based on speculation not blind faith as a way to explain why they are obviously wrong. We are not using that as our arguement to why evolution is correct, our arguement is based on evidence. That is a conclusion made after showing it is false

puglover said:
No, no. I'm saying that you believe the Bible says the Earth is 5000 years old. It never says that. Some Christians come to that conclusion by using the geneologies as a guide. That is unreliable, so the Bible never said the Earth is 5000 years old.
No, but it implied that it isn't older than some 20,000 years, we're not talking about the expanse of billions of years that radiometric dating as well as data from other planets and spectral data from the sun all independantly confirm.

CenturionV said:
All methods of isotope dating I know of are questionable. Even top evolutionist admit that the primary means of determining the age of a fossil is the rock layer in which it is situated. Likewise, geologists, say the best sure way for dating a rock layer is the fossils it containes.
That is because most rocks that can be radiometrically dated are not the sedementary rocks seen in fossil beds. Geologists have figured out the age by locating the places where datable rocks (mostly igneous rocks) are present atop or below sedimentary layers. This gives us approximate age values, for those layers and fossils, eventually we can piece together the age range for the for the fossils and use them as a guideline for aging things. So it's using fossils as an index of radiometric data.

CenturionV said:
You seem like a reasonable christian, you might want to check out the book, The Genesis Flood by John C. Whitcomb & Henry M.Morris, its an excellent scientific look at evidence for and against creation, and the global flood, it was first printed in 1961, and still refutes 90% of the evolutionist arguments common today, after reading this book, there can be no doubt that human evolution is the largest mass-lie believed by the scientific community EVER.
Let's not throw around books, I could tell you quite a few books that give excellent and convincing information on the validity of evolution.

MattBrown said:
I dont lean either way here...I think the two ideas can co-exsist to a point actually, just something to think about.
It can, there is nothing about evolution that states that god does not exist nor does it not say that god did not create the universe, nor does it say that it can't be part of the hand of god. I don't care what people believe in terms of god, but I do care about the missaplication of religion as science.

CenturionV said:
I see, and your the one who decides the proof is "more reliable". Let me ask you this, are you so naive as to trust people whos entire careers are based on evolution, to give a nice 100% true report on it. I guess if they found anything that suggested creation, they would step right up, and give a nice report on how everything there previous work was based on, is false, and admit, to essentially being, frauds. Right....
Yes, they are all scamming us. :rolleyes: I highly doubt that fruad would be the motivation of them, these people work very hard to show this and they're not multimillionares. Some of the luckiest ones can become millionares with thier books but this is no sure fire easy fraud. I highly doubt Stephen Jay Gould is in it for the money, noone writes a thousand page book just for the money in thier 80's. You can clearly see that they do it for the joy of figuring things and to see the beautiful inner workings of nature. Also your statement contends that since no major evolutionary figure suddenly went creationist because of the data for creationism they must not be looking at the data, I surmise that it is because they are looking at the data (which clearly supports evolution) they have become more and more convinced.

I'll correct more creationists later, but my lunch break is up and I don't want to get my boss angry.

This is Perfection, signing off!
 
Has anyone noticed that this thread has gone on for 5 pages without the thread starter responding once. :nospam:
 
One question I have about the creation as explained in Genesis: How is it any more valid, rational or true than the creation stories found in Greek, Egyptian, or Aztec mythology? I hope the answer doesn't have to do with the "proof" in the Bible.

I'd also like to point out that an irrational or unrealistic creation story does not necessarily disprove the existence of God. It really has nothing to do with a god if you think about it. I can make up any story I want, doesn’t change the existence or lack thereof of anything.

And arguing that evolution has never been proved is non-sensical. The Bible has never been proven to accurately reflect the events of the past. This statement does not seek validate either side, but points out a fatal flaw. No matter what your beliefs are, you should make a point without refuting your own.

As far as my own opinion on the matter, I do feel that the case for evolution is strong. Flaws in the current model do not discredit the entire system. Though we may not have the exact model and path mapped out, many “problems” with it arise from the fact that much of what scientists need (bones, fossils, etc) has been destroyed or is nearly impossible to find.

I get a kick out of Christians who are abusive, condescending and mean in their arguments. Nothing like some of that Christian love to win over friends and influence the non-believers. How can you ask others to respect beliefs that you won’t even respect yourself?

Can evolution and creationism coexist? Ask a Deist.
 
Pefection just laid down a devastating hail of fire that few religionists would want to be caught in!

Nice post, man!

:king:
 
Not again!!!!!!!!!!
I stand By CUrtsibling but why do we discuss? We just get in trenches and attack each other.Your willing to discuss classical hero but you are not willing to really read what they say
 
I think it is important that people stop and actually look at what they are saying when it comes to issues like creation.

Do we really think that a snake can talk?
 
curt, not to be nit-picky, but it was a rain that a CREATIONIST wouldnt want to be in, not a RELIGIONIST. Remember, (and prefection said this himself), you can believe in God, and Evolution.
 
The most interesting part of this is, the whole point of the thread was to disprove creation. I just noticed, the first to bring up evolution was a creationist. Everyone else used geological and paleontological evidence to disprove it. The creationists brought in evolution as a diversionary tactic to lure us away from the proof that was already evident!
 
CenturionV said:
puglover You seem like a reasonable christian, you might want to check out the book, The Genesis Flood by John C. Whitcomb & Henry M.Morris, its an excellent scientific look at evidence for and against creation, and the global flood, it was first printed in 1961, and still refutes 90% of the evolutionist arguments common today, after reading this book, there can be no doubt that human evolution is the largest mass-lie believed by the scientific community EVER.

I couldn't help but chuckle when I noticed Henry Morris's name. For anyone who doesn't know, he is heavily involved in the Institute Of Creation Science (ICR).

http://www.icr.org/

The ICR was basically created to try and legitimise the teaching of religeon in schoolroom science classes. It failed in the Supreme Courts. The ICR has also been dismissed by the scientific circles as frauds.
The reason I bring this up is that the ICR is probably the best attempt to date to try and prove the Bible was true, accurate and scientifically possible.
Yet despite the efforts of Henry Morris and others, their entire stance is based on attacking evolution and nitpicking at any chink they can find, then claiming that since evolution must be false, then the only alternative left is creationism. Also, a trend of ICR "scientists" is to misquote, mislead and outright lie about any "fact" that backs up their ideas.

So I'd be careful about throwing that name around to give your arguement weight.

On the topic, if you refuse to be persuaded by the age of the world, then how about the facts of the great flood? If enough rain had poured down to cover the highest mountain in only forty days and nights, wouldn't that kind of deluge have strip-mined the earth? Not to mention where all that water came from, or went to.
And can anyone believe that the Ark held two of every animal? Does that include all the billions of insects also? What did they eat? *Lions look hungrily at the rabbits. Rabbits nervously move closer to Noah...*
Also consider that the worlds water would have been mixed up, salty and fresh, so Noah would have had to keep some pretty large aquariums to hold all them fish! Just lucky that when the flood was over and the water receded that the water 'unmixed' itself.
And when the Ark landed at Mt Ararat, the animals all dispersed neatly to their respective lands, with the Koala bears helping the kangaroos make a raft to float to Australia!?!

Don't worry creationists, I am sure God just time off from creating the illusion of an old world to drop a few loaves of bread on the Ark for food or whatever. He took quite an active role back then, wonder what he's been up to since?
 
Ba-ZING. I'm ashamed I didn't catch that myself, Khan. Good one.
 
And can anyone believe that the Ark held two of every animal? Does that include all the billions of insects also? What did they eat? *Lions look hungrily at the rabbits. Rabbits nervously move closer to Noah...*
I'm tired of this. Could everybody stop arguing about whether you could physically stuff all the critters into the Ark till some believer in the flood story explains to me why we're not seeing extreme genetic bottlenecks a few thousand years ago in all terrestrial species?
 
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