PTW succession game

[RowAndLive]

Nice turn set, DJM!

One of the galleys had held a combat settler. Where did he end up? Also, in my turns I had built a fortress on the single tile mountain blocking the neck. We should make it a point to keep 1-2 pikes in there, and later maybe a cannon / arty. I did that so as to keep someone else from doing it to us, and then being adjacent to a canal city, and on a mountain.

 

[DJMGator13]

One of the galleys had held a combat settler. Where did he end up? Also, in my turns I had built a fortress on the single tile mountain blocking the neck. We should make it a point to keep 1-2 pikes in there, and later maybe a cannon / arty. I did that so as to keep someone else from doing it to us, and then being adjacent to a canal city, and on a mountain.

I unloaded the settler back on the main continent and moved him south towards either OTTO or to take across for PER. With CART having only a few cities I did not think I needed to raze a city on their small island.

I left a single warrior on the fortress currently.

I also left the 3 horsemen in OTTO terrirtory on the iron tiles. Since OTTOs have them roaded already and we have an ROP with them this is not considered resource denial is it?

 

[rrau]

I also left the 3 horsemen in OTTO terrirtory on the iron tiles. Since OTTOs have them roaded already and we have an ROP with them this is not considered resource denial is it?

I don't think so, I did this in one of the gotms and then rop raped and wrote it up and no one told me it was not allowed - but I did it before contact with another continent was achieved so didn't have rep hit. I would leave them there in case Ottos dow on us and break rop treaty so we can pillage their iron

 

[Zarth]

0. 530

1. 540
we discover gunpowder
The persians are the only ones who dont have gunpowder or arent way behind, so we trade them ivory, world map and 340 gold for theology and gems. We are still printing press and education behind most other civs.
I trade with Babylon chemistry for saltpeter, world map and 70 gpt
With otto's, we get education for chemistry and 1 gpt
We give england, they give printing press, world map. 27 gpt and 21 gold
I also sign an ROP with scandinavia
The persians give us 355 gold and their world map for printing press

Damascas AW => AW
Utica and Leptis warrior => temple
Aden barracks => AW

2. 550
Baghdad galley => AW
Basra galley => AW
Fez AW => library

3. 560
Medina AW => AW
Kufah AW => AW
switch Mosul to galley

4. 570
Damascus AW => AW
Najran AW => AW

5. 580
Basra AW => AW
Anjar AW => AW
Taif founded, disband galley and hurry temple

6. 590
Baghdad AW => AW
Bukhara library => marketplace
Carthage captured

7. 600
Damascus AW => AW
Kufah AW => AW
Merw library => market
Balkh barracks => AW
Theveste captured

8. 610
Medina AW => AW
Najran AW => AW
Basra AW => AW

9. 620
Mekka Leo's => AW
Shiraz courthouse => market
Hippo captured, Carthage destroyed

10 630
Damascus AW => AW
Baghdad AW => AW
Aden AW => AW

 

[Zarth]

And the save:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/PTW_630_AD.SAV

 

[RowAndLive]

jb1964 - UP
rrau - On Deck

 

[jb1964]

Got it. Will play tonight as the wife's going out w/ friends. Starting Saturday until Friday I'm swamped w/ diving and swim championships at our swim club.

 

[jb1964]

Save, PTW 730 AD

Pre-flight…
OK, which SG is this?
We have plenty of gold and more coming in thanks to 10% luxury tax and zero research. We’re not at war and the Carthaginians seem to have departed the planet for better digs in the afterlife. We have a goodly amount of Ansar Warriors and are in the midst of our Golden Age.

Babs: RoP (7), Us - Saltpeter (11), 70gpt (11)
Ottomans: RoP (7), Us – Ivory (2) 1gpt (11), Them – 7gpt (2); Down - MT and Metal
Scandihoovia: ROP (11), Down - Metal and MT
Spain: No active deals; Down - Music Theory. (700g for MT)
England: Them - 27pgt; Down – MT
France: No active deals; Up - Mono, Feud, Eng, and Rep
Celts: No active deals; Parity on tech
Iroquois: No active deals, Up Eng, Print Press, Edu
Persia: Gems (11), up Chem
Zulu: No active deals, Up Theo and Eng
Carthage: dead

Seems like the big tech we’re down is Metallurgy. Has anyone seen Cavalry running about?

Can’t remember why our research is at zero. Are we going for a conquest victory? I need to run through the thread to refresh our objectives.

We have ivory, iron and horses we can sell. Persia and Zululand do not have iron. The Iroquois would like our ivory but don’t have the cash or goods. Ottomans and Babylonians are ahead of us in score.

Persia is a good next target but I would like to target an AI that can yield a luxury. Persia, Iroquois and Zulu have no luxuries for our people. BTW, Iroquois only iron is under Tonawanda.

Hmmm, the French are weak and have furs. But that’s not going to happen until Navigation. Heck, until Navigation comes in we’re stuck with the geeks on our continent.

Military adviser says that Ottomans and Babs are too much to eat at this time. Besides, we have RoP’s with both. I don’t like the proximity of the Zulu to the Babylonians and the Iroquois are too far of a trek for our little armada. My goal this ten turns is to research and position troops to invade Persia.

Time to set up for Turn 1. But first I’m going to the pool for an hour or two.
Ah, very refreshing. Soaking lifeguards w/ massive “can-openers” is going on my resume.

Set research to 70% to bring Metal in 8 turns at –141gpt. Happy gas is still at 10%. That would run the treasury dry around turn 9 but we have FP coming in next turn. I’ll evaluate our builds after that time. Worker actions, reposition forces towards Ottoman and Persian boarders.

IBT: Jerkies isn’t too thrilled about our ship in his waters so we move out.

Turn 1, 640 AD
Mecca, Ansar to cathedral
Medina, Ansar to cathedral
Kufa, Ansar to cathedral
Basra, Ansar to cathedral
Anjar, Ansar to courthouse
Fustat, FP to marketplace
Switch Baghdad to galley
Switch Yamama to Library
Switch Kurhasan to Library
Switch Balkh to Library
Switch Aden to galley
Switch Damascus to cathedral

Move Ansars around and worker actions. After FP we now get Metal in 5 turns @ -117gpt. Bump to 90% to get in 4 turns.

IBT: Nothing

Turn 2, 650 AD
Baghdad, galley to galley (2turns - 15spt)
Najran, Ansar to galley (2turns - 17spt)
Kuhrasan, lib to market (need to sneeze on more spt out of this on)
Worker actions, reworking some irrigated grassland tiles to up shields now that FP has made cities quite productive.

Research down to 80% with Metal in 3
Just about everyone is building Bachs
England, Scandahoovians, Babs and Otters have Astronomy
Persia still weak and Otters are average.

IBT: Rework Ivory for gold deal w/ the Otters and get no deal. Fine, let him pay for entertainment.

Turn 3, 660 AD
Aleppo, courthouse to library
Fez, library to market

Baghdad needs a harbor and a duct for growth and 2fpt from our coastal tiles. We stick w/ galley for now.

No deals. AI’s to the east have many luxuries that I covet.

IBT: Our Golden Age is over.

Turn 4, 670 AD
Mecca: cathedral to Ansar
Damascus: cathedral to courthouse
Switched Taif to harbor for growth
Khurasan riots. Great. Did an F1 check and missed this one. We hire a clown since scientists and revenuers are worthless.

Research is down to 40% to prevent from going in the red. Metal in 4 turns.
Celts now have Astro. These jerks are giving to each other for free.

IBT: Nothing

Turn 5, 680 AD
Baghdad, galley to Ansar (can only get 9spt)
Najran, galley to galley
Worker actions and stuff.
Research to 50%, Metal in 2.

IBT: Nothing

Turn 6, 690 AD
Aden, galley to library
Worker actions.
Research at 50%, Metal in 1
Ozzy of the Otters will give me Metal, 4g, & TM for Ivory. With research at 50% to bring it in next turn that amounts to 228g. Sounds good and lets us get a start on Military Tradition while trying to wring value out of Metal.
Set research to 0% and hire geeks on the Carthaginian Island.

Babylon and the Vikings have Military Tradition.
Trade England Metal for Astronomy, a few gold and a WM.
None of the other Civs have Physics, Navigation or Banking.

I would really like some input as to what tech to move forward on here. At 30% research we can get Bank (16), MT (17), Physics (19) or Navigation (16). MT certainly helps up on the attack but this is already owned my 2 Civs. The possibility of Sapahis on our northern boarders does not make me happy.

Navigation: Allows us to sail to the French and claim furs. Can be effective w/ our current forces as Joan is a long way from Invention. Could put cannons and muskets on boarder towns to discourage the Otters.
Physics: Could be first to this and trade for other techs.
Military Tradition: Gives us a good offensive punch. Would give us the edge over the Ottomans if we could get to it before they make Sapahi in great numbers. Not sure if we want to make them our next target.
Banking: Certainly increases our income if we build the banks.

Waiting for input and a little sleep...

OK, Physics it is.
Change production on a number of cities to bump science and income.
Got rid of many warriors to make cash flow positive.
IBT: Nothing
Turn 7, 700 AD
Built infrastructure, joined a few workers to cities to max out shields and gold.
IBT: Renewed RoP w/ Otters and Babs
Turn 8, 710 AD
Scandinavia and Spain have Banking and we have nothing to trade them for it.
IBT: England declared on the vikes.
Turn 9, 720 AD Nothing of note
Persia has banking. Now there’s a good reason to invade.
Us – Metal, Celts – 5gpt, 20g and Music Theory
IBT: Nothing
Turn 10, 730 AD
No deals other than pumping other civs for a few gold for the world map

Save, PTW 730 AD

 

[RowAndLive]

JB,

My input would be to go for physics, and hope for a trade, which should be easy enough. Then again, banking is usually left open for the human. Nav is not, but would laos be a great choice. Of course, with physics being the longest, you should be able to get two of the three others in trade if you get to physics first. If you're not first, then you get nothing. In that case, banking may be better. If you think that we can get there first, based on recent trades and our research rate, then go for physics.

 

[DJMGator13]

I'd go with either physics or banking. If we get banking and trade it around some of the AI will go for DEM next being a gov tech. Could disrupt their progress from the lower half of the tech tree.

As for the Otto and their UU. When we go to war with PER we could MA with OTTO and hopefully get them to send their offensive units that direction (away from us), once the PER are finished off we could align ourselves with one of the middle civs against OTTO and hopefully trap most of his armies awat from home.

This game sounds like its shifting away from the original goal of a pre1500 space launch, or is controlling our continent (and a large number of cities) key for that goal?

 

[jb1964]

Ah yes! We were going to go for the space race. It doesn't hurt to remind the players of that since most of us are involved in several SG's. I would like to get back on tract for the launch as all my other SG's are aimed at conquest.

Leaning towards physics.

With no benefit from MP's I'm also looking at disbanding most of our warriors because upgrades are so darn expensive.

Additional thoughts?

 

[rrau]

If we're going for space launch, I would stick with just researching required techs (except maybe democracy) and trading for the rest. Physics sounds good to me also.

 

[jb1964]

The save is in the body of write-up...

730 AD

 

[rrau]

lurker's comment:
I think this is experienced with some firewalls sometimes. Never happened to me, but I have heard of this before...

Unfortunately, even after turning off all firewalls, scriptblocks, spyware blocks, etc., I still can't see saves from jb1964. Can someone please attach it for me? Thanks, Bobbie

 

[DJMGator13]

Unfortunately, even after turning off all firewalls, scriptblocks, spyware blocks, etc., I still can't see saves from jb1964. Can someone please attach it for me? Thanks, Bobbie

Here try this one.

 

[rrau]

thanks, DJMGator13, got it

 

[rrau]

Turn 0 (730ad)

ibt
Anjar courthouse => harbor
Bukhara starts aquaduct
Mosul library => market

Greece moved archer next to Taif

Turn 1 (740ad)

switch Taif to spear and rush
divert one galley to island with Taif and Tyre but don't unload troops - hopefully next turn Persia will dow on us and give us reverse WW (to try to help this along, I demanded banking, which was refused)

ibt

renew rop with Vikings for their world map(they have physics)
we lost our supply of gems, Xerses didn't want to renew
Unfortunately when we lost the gems, a lot of cities rioted
Taif spear => harbor

Turn 2 (750ad)

lux slider to 20%
position troops for dow next turn

ibt Yamama Library => courthouse
Persia is building JS Bach's for us - how nice
Babylonians are building Magellan's

turn 3 (760ad)

change research to 10%

trade spain 192g and 29gpt for Physics
Trade ottomans physics, 10g, and 8gpt for Military Tradition
Trade Celts Physics for Banking, WM, 4g
Trade Babylon saltpeter for Navigation, WM, 186g, 16gpt
Trade France Monotheism for furs and 9g
Trade Spain Navigation for dyes, Wines, WM, and 185g
Trade England horses for Silks, 8g, WM
Trade Ottomans Navigation for WM and 31g (mainly so someone else doesn't trade it away very cheap)
Trade Persia Chemistry for 30g (so he doen't have anything to upgrade or buy alliances)

Tried to do gpt deals to hopefully keep anyone from allying with Persia

lux slider to 10%

MM Mecca for Copernicus in 12

Rush Market in Khurasan for 104g (once built will probably be able to go to 0% lux until war weariness starts)

sci slider to 40% for ToG in 15

DoW on Persia

land troops on Persian soil, kill one archer and one spear in Tyre

ibt

AW defeats Persian Sword
AW defeats persian Longbow
AW retreats from persian Longbow
Muscat flipped to ottomans

turn 4 (770ad)

upgrade 11 AW to cavs

AW defeats spear and captures Tyre

Near Parsagade:
AW defeats musket
AW retreats pike
AW defeats pike
AW defeats pike
AW defeats longbow
Parsagade defended by single longbow

Near Sidon:
AW retreats pike
AW retreats pike
AW defeats pike
AW defeats pike and captures Sidon

Unload cat and AW on stack of 1hp AW outside Sidon

ibt

Celts and Scandinavia sign MA against England
England building Bach's
all units survive counter attacks by persian units but are redlined
Baghdad harbor => aquaduct
Sidon riots
Balkh temple => colloseum (for culture)

Turn 5 (780ad)

Near Sidon:
AW defeats longbow
AW defeats longbow

Near Parsagade:
3/4 AW defeats 4 longbow
2/4 AW retreats 3 longbow
2/5 elite defeats 3 longbow, Gets leader, and captures Parsagade with gems and intact harbor!!!! [dance]

options for leader: Magellan's, JS bach, Copernicus, army, palace jump

We don't have the $ to investigate the multiple cities building Bachs and Copernicus. We are due for Copernicus in 10, and if we rushed it it would be fairly corrupt. A palace jump might take advantange of the rank bug exploit, but would put us out of the race for copernicus. I'm leaning towards JS Bachs or Army. Please give me some input on your thoughts.

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[DJMGator13]

I like the Bach choice also, but is there a cascade risk if we rush Bachs now?

I guess a better question would be do we think we can time Cop Obs. & Bachs for the same turn and get both?

Mecca can not switch to the Military Academy (with no prior army) if we lose out on Cop Obsm, so there is a large potential shield loss there.

 

[rrau]

The second half of my turns

ok - will load leader up next turn to send back for js's at same time as copernicus (although, about that time we will learn ToG, if we want to try for copernicus and Newton, that's another option)

upgrade the 5 AW's in Parsagade (rax was intact, too )

switch Yamama from courthouse to harbor so we can upgrade galleys

ibt

one of our gems was plundered
two redlined AW near Sidon died
Basra Harbor => cav
Resistance ends in Sidon
Adyab musket => temple

turn 6 (790ad)

Near Sidon
Get elite AW

Near Parsagade
Uthman (leader) starts voyage back to homeland
Get elite Cav
get second elite cav

ibt

Parsagade riots as we quelled 4 resisters (only 1 left)
Najran harbor => cav
Kufah harbor => cav


Turn 7 (800ad)

AW retreats 4hp pike
AW defeats 4hp pike
AW defeats 4hp spear and recaptures Bayt Ras (had flipped during one of my earlier turns - of the 6 cits, 4 are Arabian)
Cav loses 3hp musket
cav retreats 3hp musket

ibt

England and Scandanavia sign peace treaty
elite cav defeats 4hp longbow
resistance ends in Parsagade
Utica temple => Harbor
Theveste temple => Harbor (may want to change this to rax)
Fez market => aquaduct
Shiraz Market => library
Babylon completed Copernicus

Turn 8 (810ad)

Switch Mecca to University for loss of 31 shields
switch Fez to JS Bach's and rush with leader

AW loses 3hp musket
AW retreat 3hp musket
AW loses 3hp musket
AW loses 3hp musket (musket promotes)
AW retreats 3/4 hp musket
elite AW defeats 3/4 hp musket
cav retreats 4hp musket
cav defeats 4hp musket
cav retreats 4hp musket
cav retreats 4hp musket

ibt

lose 2 elites to counterattacks
Mecca University => cav
Khurasan rax => settler (for 2 tile jungle island NW of Parsagade)
Aden library => duct
Fez Js Bach's => duct

turn 9 (820ad)

capture gordium
retreat redlined cavs to Parsagade to heal
check to see what persia would give for peace - a measly 13 gold

ibt

cav defeats knight
Fustat library => cav
Resistance in Gordium ends
Gordium riots
Mansura courthouse => cav
Babylonians are building Newton's - if we get a leader we need to grab this wonder

turn 10 (830ad)

Healing units in cities with raxes

switch mecca from cav to bank for Newton prebuild



Notes

Currently, if we keep starving persians by using scientists, we can usually

squeeze one less turn from time to research - currently ToG due in 5 or you could move sci slide to 0 try to buy it

We're down Democracy, ToG, Magnetism

2 civs have ToG, 3 have Democracy and 5 or 6 have Magnetism - So might try to get ToG and may be able to trade it for the other two

The save is attached.

I can't even see the ones I load from this game, but can see others.

@jb1964 in the future, could you just attach the save and not upload it as I am having problems with seeing the uploads from this game only (even the ones I upload)

 

[jb1964]

Good turn rrau.

Bummer about Copernicus's

I didn't even know about attaching files. I'll attach from here on out. Thanks for the heads up.

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DJMGator13 - On deck
Zarth - In the hole
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