PTW succession game

ok with me to trade communications, but I would wring everything out of it that we can.
 
RowAndLive said:
I get the feeling that Osman wil be making a demand soon - is it likely to be contact, or do we have something else that he'd want? It may be best to make the trade and thus avoid the demand. Thoughts?

I do not think it affects the demand, only what he demands. Back when I use to reload while learning to play I would sometimes replay the turn with the demand while trading the demanded item first. The AI still made the demand on schedule but asked for something different.

On the trading of contacts if we are close to losing the contact anyhow lets trade it.
 
I don't think that we're close to losing exclusivity, and after looking at the military situation on the border, it may not be soo bad after all. We have a huge stack of horse in the central town to counter 2 pikes and 2 LBs. The problem that we do have is that the same central city has no culture, and is bordered by 2 rather large Otto cities. This city is our key, as if it flips, then the ones on either side will eventually flip also. If we keep it, then we should be OK. That will now go to building culture for a while. In the mean time, I've moved many of the units out, just to prevent losing most of our army in a flip. I'm also searching for more luxes to trade, so as to be able to decrease the MP load on the core cities (3 each is high).

I should be able to finish tonight. In the mean time, I'll keep my eyes on the trading price versus potential for demand war. Thanks for the input!!!
 
Row, see if you can get a map from our friends to the East so we can see if there's an easier route. If there's a wide gap all around then we own the contact for some time to come.
 
The closest points are up by carthage, and down SE from the zulu. Both are 6 ocean tiles wide, so not great. In any case, I did well with trades, and bagged mucho cash, techs, and enough gpt to make me feel like I'm wearing a target.

It took a long time, so I'll need another night.
 
330AD – 0
Reset prefs.
Move excess horse units out of Muscat. Change rax build to library in 28. We need the culture here to prevent a flip!!!
Trades for WM & French contact: Spain WM, 10g, 3gpt; Celts same but 9g; English & Vikings won’t do it, but might then trade total WM for much $ or Mono.
Trade with Spain.
France: 14 cities, 47g, 9 extra furs, down Poly, currency, Republic.
Sell WM to: Celts for WM + 14g, England for 9g, Vikings for TM + 6g, Ottos for WM + 21g, Babylon for WM + 68g + 7gpt, Carthage for WM + 24g, Persia for WM + gems + 15g (includes ivory from us). Zulu & Iro have no money, no luxes, no techs, so no trade.
France has 47g, England 53g + Mono, Celts have Mono, Spain has 3gpt + 13g + Mono, Vikings have 69g + Mono, rest of world has no money. Hold off on trading contacts, although Carthage is close to England & Vikings, and Zulu and Persia are close to France. Looks like 6 ocean tiles min at each place.
(Net: +147g + 4gpt + gems – ivory +/- WMs. Or, +201g counting France, below.)

IBT: Babs begin Leo’s, Ottos start pulling ships & troops back to home cities. We must have given them elsewhere to set their sights on for expansion.

340 – 1
Spain down to 7g, France has 54g, Sell WM to France for WM + 54g, England has 90g, Celts have 11g, Vikings have 115g. Ottos have 42g + Invention. Babs have invention, Persia has 6g, Carthage, Iro & Zulu are out of it (0 or 1g).

Invent + WM from Babs for contacts with Sp, Celts, Eng, Fr.
Sell Invent + Zulu contact to Spain for Mono + 7g + WM.
Sell Invent + Iroquois contact to Vikings for Chiv + 115g.
Sell remaining 5 contacts to Vikings for 26gpt + TM.
Sell 5 contacts to England for WM + 90g + 14gpt.
Liz offers 6gpt (all that’s left) for Invention – No.
Trade French, Spanish & Celtic contacts + WM to Osman for 42g + 10gpt + WM.
Osman offers 2gpt for Chiv – No.
Sell Zulu contact to Celts for 11g + WM.
Sell WM to Persia for WM + 6g.
Sell WM to Zulu for WM + 1g.
Give WM to Iroquois – goes from cautious to polite.
Sell TM to Carthage for 1g.
Give WM to Carthage – goes from cautious to polite.
Give French contact to Zulu – goes from cautious to polite.
Give Iroquois contact to Spain – goes from annoyed to polite.
Give Iroquois & Carthaginian contacts to Celts – goes from annoyed to polite.
Give Iroquois contact to France – goes from annoyed to polite.
Give WM to England – goes from annoyed to cautious.
We are now at 620g + 74gpt.

Status:
Zulu Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Rep, Mono, Feud, Eng
Babylon Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Chiv
Iroquois Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Republic, Mono, Feud, Eng
Persians Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Mono, Invention, no contact w/ French, Celts, or Spanish
Ottomans Polite, 0g, 2gpt, down Chiv
Carthage Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Math, Poly, Rep, etc., no contact w/ French, or Spanish
France Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Poly, currency, Rep, etc, Persian & Carthaginian contacts
Spain Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Chiv, Persian & Carthaginian contacts
Celts Polite, 0g, 0gpt, down Chiv, Invent, Persian contact
English Cautious, 0g, (6gpt, down Invent)
Vikings Annoyed, 0g, 0gpt
We are strong versus Iroquois & Persians, weak versus Ottomans & Babylonians.
Sell Invent to England just to grab the 6gpt + WM, and further cut her ability to trade & build, keeping the $ out of someone else’s coffers.
Less tempted with Ottomans, since they’re already strong, but someone else may trade it for the pittance, just because everyones desperate for money.
We are now at 620g + 80gpt.
Would like to get Education in play to shut down the Viking GLib, but not for us to do.

Can get Theology in 17 turns or Gunpowder in 21 turns at 100%.
Set research for gunpowder in 40 @ 10% to keep up gpt for upgrades & rushes.


Upgrade 7 horse to Ansars for 420g. Save balance for culture rushes next turn.
Switch Khursan from rax in 11 to library in 31.
Rush pike in Shiraz for 8g.
Transfer archer from Yamama to Suhar.
Return settler galley to Yamama.
We are now at 192g + 68gpt.

Only Carthage, Zulu and Iroquois do not have deals for 15+ turns to prevent our attacking. We are strong versus all 3. Might I suggest Carthage?!?

IBT: Medina lib > ansar in 7. Baghdad library > galley in 4. Shiraz pike > court in 80. Spanish & Vikings begin Leo’s.

350 – 2
Notice that Ottos have a 3rd iron hooked up down near the Bab border. Must either add another interdicter or give up sitting on iron.
Sell Chivalry to Ottomans for WM + 20g + 2gpt + 2 workers.
Babylon now has 12g. Persians have 5g. Only the Ottos can use our ivory.
Rush library in Muscat for 208g.
Rush Temple in Suhar for 36g.
Upgrade spear in Fustat to pike for 20g.

IBT: Mecca library > Leo’s in 38. Muscat library > rax in 14. Mosul worker > court in 80. Suhar temple > lib in 80.

360 – 3
No good trade’s to make. Wonder if Vikings will attack Carthage or us now that they have ‘zerks.
Upgrade horse in Mecca to ansar for 60g.

IBT: Najran lib > temple in 5. Kufah lib > duct in 10. Basra MI > ansar in 5.

370 – 4
Upgrade horse in fustat to ansar.
Change Medina from ansar in 5 to duct in 10.

IBT: Carthaginian galley shows up off of Medina. Persian stack (spear, war, 2 workers) in jungle near Suhar. 2 Ottoman galleys playing in Gulf of Fez.
Damascus lib > duct in 12. Anjar rax > pike in 5. Bukhara pike > court in 40.

380 – 5
Upgrade horse in Mecca to ansar for 60g.

IBT: Baghdad galley > pike in 4. Merw rax > lib in 40. Persians, Ottomans & Celts begin Leo’s.

390 – 6
movin & building. One more turn before revolt to republic.

IBT: Aden market > temple in 10. Suhar expands to pressure Sidon. Yowza!

400 – 7
Build embassy in Trondheim for 90g.
Trondheim @12 = 6h/5u/1clown, republic, pop 795000, 7g, 1 iron & 2 horse in box, 1 wine, 1 fur, 1 dyes, 2 incense, 2 silk
21 cpt, expand in 14. palace, rax, temple, lib, HG, GLib, GWall
7 pikemen
18spt/1 corrupt, cathedral in 5, 27fpt / 3 extra / grow in 7. 14gpt, 31bpt / 1 corr

IBT:

410 – 8
There’s an Ottoman sword forted on the last iron.
Upgrade warrior in Medina to MI for 60g.
Upgrade horse in Fustat to ansar for 60g.
Sell WM to France for 2g.
Give WM to Carthage, goes to polite.
Revolt to Republic.

IBT: Ottos abandon iron site.
Khursan riots. Balkh riots. Aydab riots.

420 – 9
Horse interdicts last Otto iron.
Upgrade horse in Fustat to ansar for 60g.

IBT: Otto troops occupy mountain near xxxx.
Najran temple > MI in 5. Basra ansar > cathedral in 7. Aleppo pike > court in 40.
Aydab stays in unrest.

430 – 10
Upgrade horse in Fustat to ansar.
Create a scientist in Aydab to quell unrest. Drop slider to 0.
Gunpowder due in 32.
Treasurey 56g + 131gpt

Notes:
Been building many roads & improvements.
Have 3 galleys (+1 settler) near Baghdad for invasion fleet to Carthage.
Have 2 galleys in strait near Persia (need 4 to block both channels).
We’re in the race for Leo’s, but don’t know how well we’re doing.
Gunpowder due in 32 at 10%.
We’re now 3rd in score behind Babs & Ottos. 1st in power, 3rd in culture.
Average army to Babs & Ottos, strong to rest of neighbors.
Carthage should be cake if you want to go now.
Army:
22 warriors, 2 MI
6 spear, 4 pike
4 archers
8 horse, 14 ansar
5 galleys
2 catapults
30 workers, 1 settler (in galley)

Next player should check again for trades in detail. I saw no new techs,
but there may be map & contact opportunities.
 
Here's the minimap:
 
Zarth, if you want to swap go ahead and play. My brother & 3 year old niece are here and I think we may go see Mickey tomorrow. I can grab it on Monday AM if not.
 
alright, got it!


About the war thing. the civs are:

Babs (7 turns of ROP left)
Otto's (7 turns of ROP left)
iroquois (no pt deal)
zulu (no pt deal)
carthage (no pt deal)
persia (10 turns of gems-ivory deal left)

Who do we attack first? Carthage will be easy to to defeat. So I say we go after them first.
 
carthage sounds good to me, too. :)
 
Sweet trading. My head hurt just reading it all. :)

Kill whomever you would like. Makes sure we're defended against our neighbros to the north.
 
I concurr with taking out Carthage. They're small, weak, close to home, and if we don't take them, then I'm sure that Scandanavia will. :hammer:
 
Zarth said:
sorry guys, but I dont have time to play today. So DJMGator13 you may grab it today if you can, or I'll get it tomorrow.


No problem, my visitors headed back up to CT this morning so I can play and post tonight.
 
jb1964 said:
We're going for conquest, correct?


I thought it was spaceship. BUT - I have no problems eliminating all but 1 nonproductive city of a scientific civ that we can use to help us get a tech with each new era change
 
Quick Summary: Started war with CART - captured 2 cities killed 27 units but lost 10 units

Preturn 430AD
Wake 3 AW from Muscat send toward galley for war with CART
Baghdad change pikeman to galley (due next turn)
change clown in Balkh to revenuer

IBT -

Turn1 - 440AD
Baghdad galley => AW
Anjar pikeman => AW
move troops towards CART

IBT - Ottos want Tmap vrs Tmap

Turn2 - 450AD
Move troops towards CART
Issue DoW before moving troops/galley into CART territory
Trade: Ivory to OTTO for WM, 60gold & 7gpt

IBT

Turn3 - 460AD
Unload troops in CART (6AW &2 MI)

IBT - CART attacks our stack and loses 2 warriors, 3 NM, 1 sword, & 2 galleys - we lose 1 empty galley
Our Golden Age is triggered

Turn4 - 470AD
Medina aqueduct => AW
Kufah aqueduct => AW
changed Basra from cathedral to aqueduct

Battle for Utica
vAW vrs rNM - we win but are redlined
vAW vrs rNM - we win (-1hp) and capture Utica set to warrior
move injured troops into Utica to heal

adjust sci to 60% gunpowder in 7 +38gpt

IBT - CARTS move troops but no counter attack

Turn5 - 480AD
Damascus aqueduct => AW
Aden temple => baracks
Yamama temple => barracks
Muscat barracks => aqueduct (may want to change to AW)
add steps to our palace lawn
lux to 10% for Medina & Mecca

IBT - CARTS have about 15 units near Utica they attack and lose 2 NM & 1 warrior - we lose a MI & a galley

Turn6 - 490AD
Baghdad AW=> AW
Najran AW => AW
add some spiers to our lawn
sci to 50% (still in 5) .ux to 20%

take out 4 NM near Utica - lose none, one promos to elite (now have 2 elites)

IBT - CART ask for peace - I say no - then they attack and lose 3 warriors but take out an AW / PER exchanges World Map

Turn7 - 500AD
Basra aqueduct => AW
Khurasan riots due to WW
Mansura temple => library
take out 3 NM near Utica

IBT - Cart attacks loses 1 warrior and takes out an AW & a galley with an AW / Otto renew ROP / BAB renew ROP

Turn8 - 510AD
Medina AW => AW
Utica cat => warrior
Damascus AW => AW

CARTs are down to 3 weakened units around Utica - take out 2 of these but lose an AW

IBT -

Turn9 - 520AD
Kufah AW => AW
Anjar AW => AW
Balkh marketplace => barracks
Aydab harbor => pikeman

lose MI attacking NM

Battle for Leptis Magna
vAW vs rNW - we redline but win
eAW v 1/3 rNM - victory & capture Leptis Magna set to warrior

IBT - CART takes out an AW

Turn10 - 520AD
Baghdad AW => galley
Najran AW => AW
Basra AW => galley

not much action

Notes to next player
1) I started a galley in Baghdad & Basra ready in 2 turns - CART galleys took out 3 of our 4 galleys so no reinforcements have come across yet. I have 5 AW waiting to cross when the galeeys are ready. I'm wondering if we can play follow the leader with the lone galley in Utica. If either or both CART gallies chase him we could allow the 2 new gallies to cross safely.
2) Ottos have muskets, so I have staged remaining AW near their border.
3) I renewed the ROP with Otto & Babs
4) We will learn gunpowder next turn
5) FP is 12 turns away
6) Golden age started in the IBT to 470AD
7) I've been busy building AW we now have 22 of them

EDIT: The 530AD Save

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