PTW succession game

[DJMGator13]

If SciMeth is out before US finishes then we should rush it and create a pre-build for Hoovers.

Plus we can then trade Sci Method for the other techs we are behind. Communism is a deadend tech and unless we see ourselves declaring war on other civs to finish the game we will not need it. If we get declared upon we earn War Happiness which will delay and offset WW.

 

[RowAndLive]

My apologies, but I'll need a swap or skip, as I didn't get to it last night, and won't get a chance to go back to it until Sunday.

 

[DJMGator13]

I can grab it & play tomorrow, possibly late tonight.

Roster
DJMGator13 - up
RowAndLive - swapped - on deck
Zarth - skipped last go round
jb1964 -
rrau -

 

[DJMGator13]

Hey guys I haven't gotten to this yet and now I have a hurricane projected to pass over me on Friday. I do not think I'll have any time to play it tomorrow. If you don't mind waiting till Saturday I should be able to play depending on what the storm does as it passes thru.

 

[jb1964]

You actually have two storms headed your way. I used to live in Florida and don't miss the hurricanes.

Keep your head down.

I'm out until al least Tuesday.

 

[RowAndLive]

That's fine. I should be able to grab it on Sunday night, or Monday, after you're done.

Hold on tight.

 

[RowAndLive]

I'll grab it tonight.

Hope everything is well for Gator...

Roster
RowAndLive - up
DJMGator13 - on deck
Zarth - no posts since August 1 - hope he's on vacation...
jb1964 -
rrau -

 

[DJMGator13]

Hey guys, I'm still here. Just getting back in playing mode. Storm turned NNE 2-3 hours earlier than expected and the bad winds passed by south & east of me. Until that turn the eye was expected to pass right over me. So instead of 110mph winds we got 30-40mph.

Go ahead and play Row and I'll grab it after you.

 

[RowAndLive]

In process.

 

[RowAndLive]

Gator - I'm going to have to take a skip this round to deal with some RL family issues. I should be back for next round. Please take it from the last save.

 

[DJMGator13]

OK I can grab it now.

 

[DJMGator13]

Hey guys got tied up. I'll play today and post tonight.

 

[jb1964]

I'm up in BNH02 and will play this weekend. Will pick this up on Sunday, assuming Gator is finished, if Zarth is still under radar.

 

[DJMGator13]

From last turnset
Techs's down refining, steel, communism & sanitation
Sci method in 4
Mecca prebuild for TOE is factory

Preturn - 1230AD
Put taxman back to work in Mecca (fac still in 5)
Don't need Communism a dead-end tech
Should be able to trade for others when we get ToE slingshot
Change courthouse in Arbela to settler and rush for 44 gold

Turn 1 - 1240AD
Arbela settler => courthouse
Mosul bank => aqueduct
Tyre library => marketplace
rush harbor in Hama
switched 2 scientist to taxmen

IBT - na

Turn 2 - 1250AD
Utrica worker => harbor
Bactra worker => marketplace
Hama harbor => courthouse
fire clown in Hama & taxman in Tarsus - all citizens working
Sci to 60% SM still in 2 but scientist were not enough to keep at 2 turns
found Tabuk (in the hole) set to library

IBT - na

Turn 3 - 1255AD
Carthage courthouse => marketplace
Tarsus temple => courthouse
Bukhara bank => harbor
change Balkh from University to aqueduct ( no growth)
sci down to 50%

IBT - SPN wants to trade Tmaps - I agree / then SPN wants ROP sure why not / Celts trade Tmaps also

Turn 4 - 1260AD
learn Sci Method set to Atomic theory
Fustat university => factory
switch Mecca to TOE in 15 turns - then MM it to complete in 10 turns while losing 2 food per turn - TOE will complete before city starves
I turn off research - the only techs we can research before getting TOE are already known by other civs and can easily be traded for - this gets us +505 gpt

IBT - na

Turn5 - 1265AD
Najran University => aqueduct
Anjar bank => aqueduct
Bayt Ras worker => courthouse
rush aqueduct in Balkh & Mosul

IBT - OTTO, BAB & SPN learn replaceable parts

Turn6 - 1270AD
Damascus stock exchange => factory
Fez bank => university
Shiraz bank => aqueduct
Balkh aqueduct => university
Mosul aqueduct => university

IBT - BAB try to extort Sci Method - no DOW

Turn7 - 1275AD
We are 7 turns from ToE
We are in no shape to take on BAB or OTTO if they declare on us for refusing to trade Sci Method so I go ahead and trade
Tech Clac shows value of Sci Method at 2800 while Ref 3885 Steel 3400 & Rparts 3400
I was hoping we would be able to package Sci Method with Atomic Theory and get all these techs w/o having to pay gold or gpt

TRADE: Sci Method to BAB for Refining, Wmap, 140 gold & 23 gpt
TRADE: Sci Method, 1575gold & Wmap to OTTO for Rparts
TRADE: Sci Method to ENG for Sanitation & 14 gold
TRADE: Sci Method to SPN for wines, 90 gold & 30gpt
TRADE: rubber to OTTO for 1000 of our gold back - (BAB has 2 sources of rubber, so I figured they could get it from them anyhow)
TRADE: Wmap & 1075gold to SPN for Dyes giving us 8 luxs

Was not able to acquire steel, but we are still at +608gpt for 7 more turns.

IBT - OTTO renews ROP straight up / renew ROP with BAB straight up - then they Declare war on us anyhow / OTTO is building ToE popup

So I do this

Turn 8 - 1280AD
Susa temple => infantry
sign up OTTO in MA vrs BAB for Wmap & 400gold / OTTO DoW on BAB
build embassy with ZUL and sign them up in MA vrs BAB (then gift them Military Tradition to help fight BAB) - ZUL issue DoW
build embassy with ENG and sign them up in MA vrs BAB getting Communism while giving Rubber, Refining & Ivory - ENG issue DoW on BAB
sign up Vikings in MA vrs BAB for gems & Communism - Vikings issue DoW on BAB
build embassy with IRQ and sign them up in MA vrs BAB for gems (then gift them Military Tradition to help fight BAB) - IRQ issue DoW
sign up FRA in MA vrs BAB for Military Tradition - FRA issues DoW
Sell Vikings my Wmap for 16gold (need 9 more gold to establish embassy with the Celts)
build embassy with CELT and sign them up in MA vrs BAB for gems and ivory - CELT issue DoW on BAB
SPN is the only one I did not get a MA with because they wanted 29gpt - hopefully one of the other civs will bring them in on our side

IBT - OTTO & Vikings sign MPP / Spain must have felt left out they DoW on BAB on their own / Vikings got Steel

Turn9 - 1285AD
Good thing I got OTTO on our side - BAB had troops in OTTO territory
Medina stock exchange => infantry
Antioch courthouse => barracks
Yamama Aqueduct => barracks

TRADE coal & Refining to VIK for Steel - we are now at tech parity
upgrade 15 muskets to Infantry & 1 cannon to artillery

IBT - BAB are bombing with ironclads our new southern territory

Turn10 - 1290AD
Pasargadae courthouse => library
Kufah university => factory
upgrade 4 more muskets - start moving troops towards Yamama for transport across channel
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Notes to next player
1) ToE completes in 4 turns - only OTTO are building it and they just started a few turns ago
2) I rehooked up a coal that BAB bombed so we can trade a coal to OTTO again
3) When ToE completes we need to MM to get the food growing again & restart research
4) We still have our Great Leader waiting in Mecca for Hoover Dam as soon as ToE is done

1290AD Save

 

[rrau]

Nice dogpile with Babs on the bottom . How's our military. Is there any chance of getting some cities/resources/lux's?

[edit] never mind - I downloaded the save and looked and we're pretty pitiful right now.

 

[DJMGator13]

How's our military. Is there any chance of getting some cities/resources/lux's?

[edit] never mind - I downloaded the save and looked and we're pretty pitiful right now.

Yeah that was why I trade away Sci Method when I did, otherwise we might be on the bottom of that dogpile. I think we have enough infantry for a frontline stance but definately no offensive intentions.

 

[jb1964]

Sweet set. We're going to get both ToE and Hoovers.

I finished BNH02 in short order, as it was pretty one dimensional, so I'll be able to pick this up tomorrow unless Zarth resurfaces.

Good night.

 

[jb1964]

Gator, I'm confused about one thing...

How did you trade w/ the Babs without yeilding to their demand for Sci Meth?

When a demand is made I thought the only option was "yes" or "no". You seem to have been able to drag them into negotiations.

I don't get it.

 

[DJMGator13]

Gator, I'm confused about one thing...

How did you trade w/ the Babs without yeilding to their demand for Sci Meth?

When a demand is made I thought the only option was "yes" or "no". You seem to have been able to drag them into negotiations.

I don't get it.

I said no to their demand on the IBT, knowing we had OTTO in between us. If they declared immediately I would have traded OTTO Sci Method and signed the MA. They did not declare on my refusal. Then I completed all the trades during my next turn.

I was more concerned if OTTO demanded it from us. If we refused him we would be on the bottom of the dogpile. Actually I would have probably given it to OTTO and we would have lost on the trading.

 

[jb1964]

Kewl, thanks for the explanation. Great trades. We have tech parity and we're about to pull out to a nice lead.