Question about the Slavic Federation

[IncessantMace]

What should be interesting actually will be to see the ending cutscene when you achieve the contact victory, i wonder if you'll just see some ships appear or actual aliens.

 

[Obbu]

What should be interesting actually will be to see the ending cutscene when you achieve the contact victory, i wonder if you'll just see some ships appear or actual aliens.

My money is on the aliens looking like your father

 

[GeoModder]

IIRC, The BE lore posits a post-nuclear exchange world, where today's Russia has more than once apparently been a battleground. Given that to be the case, one could conceive of any number of scenarios that see the eventual unification of surviving fragments of prewar countries and regions.

The lore 'revealed' at Firaxicon appearantly put the nuclear part of the Great Mistake between China, Pakistan, and Iran.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

The lore is vague enough for us to believe what we want to believe. My head canon is that at some point the European Union expanded so much that it incorporated Russia, and much later split into Franco-Iberia, the Slavic Federation and possibly some other civs that may or may not be future DLC. In my imagination of the SF Russia is an important part, but by no means dominant enough to dictate policy to the entire Federation. Their position would be comparable to Germany in the EU today, with Poland filling the role of France.

 

[janboruta]

In my imagination of the SF Russia is an important part, but by no means dominant enough to dictate policy to the entire Federation. Their position would be comparable to Germany in the EU today, with Poland filling the role of France.

I had a very similar idea, though I still placed Russia above all other member states. But basing on Kozlov's language mashup of Polish and Russian, maybe those two are equals, or follow the relationship as you put it.

Someone saying that SolarGamer saw a list of member states of the SF: as far as I remember, he only said that it was "basically Russia and the Baltic states", and that those "are not countries, but sponsors". So yeah, he was gravely misinformed.

 

[Gort]

Roman Empire, guys.

The Federation doesn't have to be 100% Slavs.

 

[NN23]

I'm guessing that some of the confusion about the SF, is that people aren't quite familiar with the Slavic identity. Take the Arab League for example. Member states are countries that have ethnic Arab population and speak Arabic. That's why you don't see countries like Turkey or Iran, being members of the Arab League, it doesn't make sense. It is the same with the Slavs.That's why IMO it doesn't make sense that that any other countries, but the Slavic ones are members of the SF. If there are any other give it a different name, something like Eurasian Federation.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I'm guessing that some of the confusion about the SF, is that people aren't quite familiar with the Slavic identity. Take the Arab League for example. Member states are countries that have ethnic Arab population and speak Arabic. That's why you don't see countries like Turkey or Iran, being members of the Arab League, it doesn't make sense. It is the same with the Slavs.That's why IMO it doesn't make sense that that any other countries, but the Slavic ones are members of the SF. If there are any other give it a different name, something like Eurasian Federation.

That depends on how voluntary membership in the Slavic Federation is

Hawaii is not part of the American continent... but it is still part of the USA
India was part of the British empire, despite having nothing to do with the British isles or the Britons
Turkey is part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.. despite not bordering the north atlantic

Names can be deceiving... The Slavic Federation contains some slavs, but not all slavs, and it contains some non-slavs.

 

[IncessantMace]

I can't imagine Germany working with Russia, I wonder if perhaps they formed some kind of central European amalgam with the Nordic countries, Austria, the Lowlands, and Switzerland...

Regardless of that I hope the SF kept the Russian/Soviet anthem, it is just too powerful to abandon.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Suggested expansion faction

CSE: Confederate States of Europe; Baltic, Germany, Nordic, Britain, all 'north europe' (loose confederation formed as EU dissolved)
-10% energy maintenance (units, buildings, and tiles)
because those areas have a current reputation for not terribly ineffective bureaucracy...and 'terraforming' in the low countries.


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13491768&postcount=11

 

[Zorkost]

I'm guessing that some of the confusion about the SF, is that people aren't quite familiar with the Slavic identity. Take the Arab League for example. Member states are countries that have ethnic Arab population and speak Arabic. That's why you don't see countries like Turkey or Iran, being members of the Arab League, it doesn't make sense. It is the same with the Slavs.That's why IMO it doesn't make sense that that any other countries, but the Slavic ones are members of the SF. If there are any other give it a different name, something like Eurasian Federation.

There are plenty of states that both have a primary ethnic identity and have multiple ethnicities within their borders. Russia is a prominent example of this; "Russian" can refer to both a kind of ethnic identity (русски&#1081 and a national identity (россияни&#1085, and there are a number of different ethnic/cultural groups within Russia. It's not that hard to believe that the "Slavic Federation" could operate much like the Russian Federation in this regard, especially if we're talking far into the future given two world wars, at least one of which was nuclear; a lot can happen in a few hundred years.

 

[Androrc the Orc]

"Slavic" does clearly imply a race,

Not at all. There is nothing biological or racial about the term; it is instead a term which relates to language and culture.

 

[Eisenhart]

Not at all. There is nothing biological or racial about the term; it is instead a term which relates to language and culture.

I would agree.

The majority of the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia are all Malay ethnicity-wise, but they are worlds apart, culture-wise.

 

[s0nny80y]

Link to video.

Space pioneers pummeled in our most recent history.

 

[Mustakrakish]

I like the calm "not give a" reactions with good old russian swearing...

 

[Zorkost]

Not at all. There is nothing biological or racial about the term; it is instead a term which relates to language and culture.

Sure. Amend the statement to read ethnicity; the point is still the same. Slavic, in this world, might refer to Slavic ethnicity or it might refer to some larger concept of nationhood.

Edit:

The majority of the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia are all Malay ethnicity-wise, but they are worlds apart, culture-wise.

This might be a little more controversial. Race, when talked about more rigorously, is very complicated; a person could theoretically be of a Eurasian, Asian, Austronesian, Malay, or Minang race depending on who you talk to, and I'm not aware of any rigorous methodology that can definitively speak to delineation of human race.

 

[Androrc the Orc]

Sure. Amend the statement to read ethnicity; the point is still the same. Slavic, in this world, might refer to Slavic ethnicity or it might refer to some larger concept of nationhood.

If by ethnicity you mean the sum of customs, language, norms and etc. that define how a society works, then yes, of course.

 

[Eisenhart]

This might be a little more controversial. Race, when talked about more rigorously, is very complicated; a person could theoretically be of a Eurasian, Asian, Austronesian, Malay, or Minang race depending on who you talk to, and I'm not aware of any rigorous methodology that can definitively speak to delineation of human race.

You are correct in that. Haha, which makes it a moot point IMO. It's much more relevant to talk about cultures, rather than ethnicity.

 

[Civ'ed]

Well, in the intro cinematic, we saw an Orthodox priest bless the rocket.
This doesn't necessarily mean *anything*, because Orthodox priests bless the Soyuz at Baikonur, which is in South-Central Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan does not strike as a particularly Orthodox country right now, but the mission is Russian, so yeah.
Not all countries in the SF will be Orthodox of course, but it does seem that those that are are dominant, at least in the space program.

 

[0R4NG3]

Well, in the intro cinematic, we saw an Orthodox priest bless the rocket.
This doesn't necessarily mean *anything*, because Orthodox priests bless the Soyuz at Baikonur, which is in South-Central Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan does not strike as a particularly Orthodox country right now, but the mission is Russian, so yeah.
Not all countries in the SF will be Orthodox of course, but it does seem that those that are are dominant, at least in the space program.

Or maybe there were other priests there too, but the opening cinematic just didn't show them Priests queuing up to bless a rocket, now that's a funny sight.