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QFT. Is it really that much to just accept that certain phrases are common expressions and have lost their religion meaning?
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QFT. Is it really that much to just accept that certain phrases are common expressions and have lost their religion meaning?
Verge
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Evidently, for the OP, the answer is a "Oh God, yes!"
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I don't believe in God but believe in an afterlife, so it doesn't seem like a contradiction for me.
When you're sleeping, you can easily be 'resting in peace' and completely nonsconscious. Sure, there will be dreams. But there will be times when you're resting in peace and nonconscious.
I betcha it's a lot like being dead.
I betcha it's a lot like being dead.
Jawz II
Oh Dear
Swedishguy
Deity
Explain yourself. I'm curious.
I suspect this make a tad more sence to Europeans than 'New Worlders' Most European nations have established state churches, and have masses of religious-baced schools. I went to a CoE (Church Of England) school, and it was pretty much the same as all other schools except we sung hymms about weekly and went to our local church around 3 times a year. Hardly a hive of relgious fundimentalism. I think alot of Brits are religiously athest but cuturally Christian - despite the fact that some have almost forgotten the Lord's name. I have seen similar in Norway, Germany and Finland.
happy_Alex
Happiness set to 11
i think this thread should rest in peace...
I know what you mean! They are generally more educated and make more money than the majority of their religious counterparts too.
So illogical.
Jawz II
Oh Dear
DJ Bonebraker
a.k.a Laura
Hey, you can act all high and mighty if you can only solve these two logical conundra (conundrums? I've never been all that good with Greek grammar):
#1: If you say that "there is no possible way for God to exist" you're saying that "there is no possible way for a being with infinite knowledge to exist"
The conundrum here is that human knowledge is limited, and the only way one could PROVE God doesn't exist would be if one were to have infinite knowledge, but then you'd be saying "I have infinite knowledge that a being with ifinite knowledge does not exist," which is completely illogical, since in order to prove that there is no being with infinite knowledge, one would have to have infinite knowledge, therefore a being with infinite knowledge WOULD exist, thus rendering that statement invalid......
#2: Honestly answer where the ULTIMATE origin of the universe lies.
If you say "it arose when a small, super-dense speck of proto-matter exploded"
Then I say "Where did the small, super-dense speck of proto-matter come from?"
The usual response I get is either a: "It was just there" or b: "It came from a previous universe that collapsed"
My answers are a: "Well if it was 'just there' and God has always been 'just there' then your stance on ateism is no more or less logical or provable than my belief in God" and b: "If it came from a previous universe that collapsed, and that universe came from a previous 'big bang' then what you're arguing for is based on the logical fallacy of Circular Logic (where the cause is the effect and the effect is the cause) and once again, from a logical standpoint, Atheistic origins of the universe make as much sense and are as ultimately provable as religious ones."
...and I aggree with what happy Alex said.....
#1: If you say that "there is no possible way for God to exist" you're saying that "there is no possible way for a being with infinite knowledge to exist"
The conundrum here is that human knowledge is limited, and the only way one could PROVE God doesn't exist would be if one were to have infinite knowledge, but then you'd be saying "I have infinite knowledge that a being with ifinite knowledge does not exist," which is completely illogical, since in order to prove that there is no being with infinite knowledge, one would have to have infinite knowledge, therefore a being with infinite knowledge WOULD exist, thus rendering that statement invalid......
#2: Honestly answer where the ULTIMATE origin of the universe lies.
If you say "it arose when a small, super-dense speck of proto-matter exploded"
Then I say "Where did the small, super-dense speck of proto-matter come from?"
The usual response I get is either a: "It was just there" or b: "It came from a previous universe that collapsed"
My answers are a: "Well if it was 'just there' and God has always been 'just there' then your stance on ateism is no more or less logical or provable than my belief in God" and b: "If it came from a previous universe that collapsed, and that universe came from a previous 'big bang' then what you're arguing for is based on the logical fallacy of Circular Logic (where the cause is the effect and the effect is the cause) and once again, from a logical standpoint, Atheistic origins of the universe make as much sense and are as ultimately provable as religious ones."
...and I aggree with what happy Alex said.....
Excuse me, but it looks like you are attempting to provide a proof for why the religion in which you believe is a pile of crap.Hey, you can act all high and mighty if you can only solve these two logical conundra (conundrums? I've never been all that good with Greek grammar):
#1: If you say that "there is no possible way for God to exist" you're saying that "there is no possible way for a being with infinite knowledge to exist"
The conundrum here is that human knowledge is limited, and the only way one could PROVE God doesn't exist would be if one were to have infinite knowledge, but then you'd be saying "I have infinite knowledge that a being with ifinite knowledge does not exist," which is completely illogical, since in order to prove that there is no being with infinite knowledge, one would have to have infinite knowledge, therefore a being with infinite knowledge WOULD exist, thus rendering that statement invalid......
#2: Honestly answer where the ULTIMATE origin of the universe lies.
If you say "it arose when a small, super-dense speck of proto-matter exploded"
Then I say "Where did the small, super-dense speck of proto-matter come from?"
The usual response I get is either a: "It was just there" or b: "It came from a previous universe that collapsed"
My answers are a: "Well if it was 'just there' and God has always been 'just there' then your stance on ateism is no more or less logical or provable than my belief in God" and b: "If it came from a previous universe that collapsed, and that universe came from a previous 'big bang' then what you're arguing for is based on the logical fallacy of Circular Logic (where the cause is the effect and the effect is the cause) and once again, from a logical standpoint, Atheistic origins of the universe make as much sense and are as ultimately provable as religious ones."
...and I aggree with what happy Alex said.....
My paperweight is "just there". Your "fully conscious and delightfully introspective rock, that sits on a pile of papers for you" is "just there". It looks a lot like my paperweight.
Which is the more logical belief? That the rock is conscious, or that it's not conscious?
Same question with the universe. Adding a feature makes it less logically likely.
Finally, I thinking that "everything needs a reason" is a semantic trap that we've fallen into because our brains are used to a macroworld.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
If you don't believe in life after death, which I don't in the religious sense but it could happen in a scientific way, then just don't die. It isn't that hard.
woody60707
Deity
I'm from Denmark so I'll take the Danes as an example.
Even though 92% of Danish people or such are Atheists, we still celebrate Christian traditions (Weddings, confirmations, baptising...). That is what is called cultural Christianity. Even though we don't believe in it, we follow the traditions, as it is a part of our culture.
Therefore, simple things we say, such as "oh my god", can still be said even though we aren't true Christians. 'Rest in peace' is under the same term.
huh? how do you do confirmations and baptizing with out being a Christian? Don't you need a church and a priest for that?
Nah, I think this is a semi-troll thread. he is trying to make Atheists sound dumb.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
Some Buddhists believe in a God.
trader/warrior
Deity
Hey, you can act all high and mighty if you can only solve these two logical conundra (conundrums? I've never been all that good with Greek grammar):
#1: If you say that "there is no possible way for God to exist" you're saying that "there is no possible way for a being with infinite knowledge to exist"
The conundrum here is that human knowledge is limited, and the only way one could PROVE God doesn't exist would be if one were to have infinite knowledge, but then you'd be saying "I have infinite knowledge that a being with ifinite knowledge does not exist," which is completely illogical, since in order to prove that there is no being with infinite knowledge, one would have to have infinite knowledge, therefore a being with infinite knowledge WOULD exist, thus rendering that statement invalid......
#2: Honestly answer where the ULTIMATE origin of the universe lies.
If you say "it arose when a small, super-dense speck of proto-matter exploded"
Then I say "Where did the small, super-dense speck of proto-matter come from?"
The usual response I get is either a: "It was just there" or b: "It came from a previous universe that collapsed"
My answers are a: "Well if it was 'just there' and God has always been 'just there' then your stance on ateism is no more or less logical or provable than my belief in God" and b: "If it came from a previous universe that collapsed, and that universe came from a previous 'big bang' then what you're arguing for is based on the logical fallacy of Circular Logic (where the cause is the effect and the effect is the cause) and once again, from a logical standpoint, Atheistic origins of the universe make as much sense and are as ultimately provable as religious ones."
...and I aggree with what happy Alex said.....
#1 OMG! OFCOURSE! If I cant PROVE god doesent exist that means he DOES exist and it MUST be the christian god and its IMPOSSIBLE that it's any of the other religions because thats what my parents told me!
#2 Any real atheist would simply answer "I don't know" to what is the "cause" of the universe existing. But wich is more sensible: a large amount of energy arising from unknown reasons (as is what all the evidence points to) to form into the universe, or a all knowing intelligent being arising from nothing for no reason to create the universe? for all I know it might have been a "god" or anything else that "caused" the universe but theres no point in just filling "god" into all the gaps which science doesn't know yet.
Oh, and before you come saying i'm not truly an atheist but an agnostic you should know that there are almost no true atheist, even Richard Dawkins is an Agnostic in the way I am.
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