Questions About Adam and Eve

[Berzerker]

the same flood sank it along with the garden

 

[timtofly]

Atlantis fits into all this... how?

I don't think that Atlantis is a where, but a when. The old world was made up of the original humans who were "closer" to God in appearance and ability. I am currently reading a book by Colin Wilson called Atlantis and the Kingdom of the Neanderthals. It is quite possible that the major huge stone "buildings" found all over the world were built prior to the Flood, in the old world conditions.

the same flood sank it along with the garden

I don't see how either of those "places" sank. The plates were rearranged during the Flood. There are detailed ancient maps of the Antarctic. It may fit the description of a "lost continent".

 

[Berzerker]

what evidence is there the plates were re-arranged? I'll bet there's evidence they weren't, like magnetic fields.

maps may show people knew of Antarctica but its been locked up in ice for a very long time.

 

[timtofly]

Especially after it slipped into the south pole position around the time of the Flood.

 

[warpus]

Continents just don't move at those speeds, though. They inch around much much much much slower than that.

 

[Borachio]

A magnitude of less than a centimetre a year?

Though there can be some sudden slippages of several metres at plate boundaries from time to time. Hence earthquakes.

edit: oh no, in some places it can be as much as 10 cm a year. That's 4 inches, iirc. Even I generally move faster than that.

 

[peter grimes]

Shhh! Guys! Let them work this out on their own.

 

[Borachio]

what evidence is there the plates were re-arranged? I'll bet there's evidence they weren't, like magnetic fields.

maps may show people knew of Antarctica but its been locked up in ice for a very long time.

Elementary, Mr Zerker.

Actually, Earth Science is a very interesting subject.

In the 1950s, ocean-going research vessels recorded puzzling data based on the magnetism of the ocean floor. It was determined that the rock of the ocean floor had alternating bands of embedded iron oxides that pointed north and south. Thus, in 1963, the theory of the reversal of the earth's magnetic field was proposed and it has been a fundamental of earth science since.

http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/magnetic.htm


So much for the reversal of the earth's magnetic field. Now about the evidence for plate movements...

 

[Berzerker]

not sure what you're disputing but reversals dont tell us the plates weren't recently re-arranged, just cooling magma in the presence of a magnetic field

 

[timtofly]

Other than the apparent misalignments of the magnetic fields fixed in place in certain areas of the Americas, those pyramids of similar design found all over the world are supposed to align with true north. The one's in the Americas are all equally off by 15.5 degrees.

These are two maps. One is allegedly from 14000 BC. The second one is of the last Ice age how it would appear on todays maps. Notice that NA has slid down about 10 degrees. Alaska has been "torn" away from Russia. The ice coverage on NA does not match up with Europe unless you slide NA back up where it was before it moved. It may even be inferred that NA was once part of Asia. Also it was during the time of a civilization that had maps and built huge stone pyramids that aligned with true North. They new the earth was round. They new how the sun and planets moved through space and were aware of equinoxes.

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There are stories how the Native Americans thought the sun disappeared since during a major earth quake and flood the sun seemed to move rapidly out of view. There are remains from Canada to Peru of the Indians setting up "sun cords" to keep the sun on course so such a thing would not happen again. Even the Spaniards in 1555 documented that the Indians had an irrational fear the world would end whenever an eclipse of the moon or sun happened.

Even in 1513 a Turkish Admiral by the name of Piri Ries had a map with detailed information of Antarctica.

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[Perfection]

That first map is from 14000BC???

 

[Borachio]

The Eastern coast of Australia wasn't discovered by Europeans until 1770 (?), so I'd say it isn't from 14,000 BC.

 

[Borachio]

not sure what you're disputing but reversals dont tell us the plates weren't recently re-arranged, just cooling magma in the presence of a magnetic field

OK. It's just that you seem to be a little unclear about the whole plate tectonic thing.

I'm not sure what you're claiming. Is it just that you dispute that plates move slowly? I don't know why you'd think this.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/earth-history-topic/plate-techtonics/v/plate-tectonics----evidence-of-plate-movement
This link might not be relevant. But without an overall view of the subject it's hard to know where to begin. Still...

Is it that you just don't think the same processes that are occurring today happened at the same rate 6000 years ago? In which case, I don't think there could be any way to persuade you otherwise.

 

[peter grimes]

That first map is from 14000BC???

No, there's no way any moderately critically thinking person could think that.

There are city names on the map that weren't founded until after 1500, for starters.

The cartographer's name is right there on the bottom for everyone to see:
Orontius F[ines] = Oronce Fine.

 

[Hygro]

Let alone the renaissance era biblical art + latin script and typography. Timtofly, you gotta give some justification here for a claim like that.

 

[timtofly]

We are not looking at the city names though. Those could be added. It is the detail and position of the continents. Point being that no one had charted these areas yet, but this map which is similar to the map of the German Johannes Werner, Giovanni Battista Ramusio, theTurkish cartagrapher Hadji Hamad, as well as the French cartographer Orontius whose name appears on this version.

Saying it was from 14,000 BC puts it before the Great Flood and earth upheaval at the end of the last Ice age. The ice age covered the NA like was said, but when it was in it's original position before it moved south during such an upheaval. There is no historical accounting for such a map prior to this time period since before pre-history around 8000 BC. The mystery is where this "source" map came from that the above mapmakers had access to.

It may be possible that the Chinese did it, but there are no real links available for such a connection.

 

[Arakhor]

They used a Piece of Eden, clearly.

 

[Borachio]

We are not looking at the city names though. Those could be added. It is the detail and position of the continents. Point being that no one had charted these areas yet, but this map which is similar to the map of the German Johannes Werner, Giovanni Battista Ramusio, theTurkish cartagrapher Hadji Hamad, as well as the French cartographer Orontius whose name appears on this version.

Saying it was from 14,000 BC puts it before the Great Flood and earth upheaval at the end of the last Ice age. The ice age covered the NA like was said, but when it was in it's original position before it moved south during such an upheaval. There is no historical accounting for such a map prior to this time period since before pre-history around 8000 BC. The mystery is where this "source" map came from that the above mapmakers had access to.

It may be possible that the Chinese did it, but there are no real links available for such a connection.

Yes. But you see if the continents move at between 1 and 10 cm a year, 14,000 years give a drift of between 140 and 1,400 metres. This isn't really a significant amount out of a map covering 40,000 km. It's, if my arithmetic is correct, in the order of less than 0.001%.

Where's your evidence that plate tectonic rates of drift were several thousand times greater than they are now?

Isn't it just more likely that the cartographer (from whose work Fine borrowed) was basing his drawing on a lot of speculative misinformation, and just filled in the blanks? What did he have to lose?

Australia itself wasn't discovered, at all, until 1606 (?), 50 years after the map was drawn.

 

[Hygro]

I had a calendar full of world maps from back in the day. They definitely "filled in the blanks" a lot.

 

[peter grimes]

Australia itself wasn't discovered, at all, until 1606 (?), 50 years after the map was drawn.

Aha! Finally you show your True Imperialistic Colours!

Australia already had people in it when Captain Cook alighted, friend. Were they intelligently designed to be there? Harummph!

You have been caught fair and square, so I expect you to cede, in keeping with Bristol rules