Oh, definitely. I was able to eventually clear all the jungle tiles (and all the marshland tiles as well), but found no rubber there. Had to go to war against the Zulu to steal it from them, since they were insufficiently advanced to be able to trade it. My new (I've done it once or twice before) favorite way to do this: bring a ton of units and a settler, build a city right on top of the resource if on the coast, or as near as possible, then rush-build a harbor right away to get access to the resource. Then just play defense until I'm ready to go on the offensive (assuming I'm not ready right out of the gate).
This is not quite true.
Agree with this. Or (if you have Workers/Slaves to burn) drop Colonies on any Jungle Lux-tile just beyond your towns' borders: after your borders expand, those tiles will automatically become roaded and cleared.
Are you sure about the tile being cleared?
Yup, a Colony removes vegetation from the tile, just like a Town would. So you could also clear a Strat/Lux-Res Forest tile that way (though that would presumably waste the chop-shields).
Which is not a problem with Jungle, which provides none (at least, none I've ever noticed, unlike a forest).
I would be surprised if Marsh could be colonized, since a city cannot be built on it.
They're not connected. "Build City" and "Build Colony" are two separate flags under the 'Terrain' rules in the Editor, so any given terrain can allow both jobs, or one, or neither. And having just looked it up, I was right: Marsh allows neither (though you can build Outposts there -- so useful...
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Hm. Haven't used Outposts since I got C3C. Are they actually useful? The description in Civilopedia doesn't make them sound like it.They're not connected. "Build City" and "Build Colony" are two separate flags under the 'Terrain' rules in the Editor, so any given terrain can allow both jobs, or one, or neither. And having just looked it up, I was right: Marsh allows neither (though you can build Outposts there -- so useful...
You can still clear jungles and then plant forests instead, in the early ages when you need the production bonus and also you need something to slow down enemy invaders. In the early/Middle Ages, planting forests at your borders is really efficient, especially if your civ has the Industrious trait.
Depends on how much population you have. Marshes tend to be situated near coastlines and extensive marshlands are a great place for an enemy to land an invasion force unseen. If you just use a couple captured workers to set up outposts you can get highly useful early warning.Hm. Haven't used Outposts since I got C3C. Are they actually useful? The description in Civilopedia doesn't make them sound like it.They're not connected. "Build City" and "Build Colony" are two separate flags under the 'Terrain' rules in the Editor, so any given terrain can allow both jobs, or one, or neither. And having just looked it up, I was right: Marsh allows neither (though you can build Outposts there -- so useful...
I don't believe I've planted forests ... it didn't really occur to me it could be useful, but now that you've got me thinking about it I can see it being better than building mines in grassland. If I'm not mistaken, it would give more shields that way?
That's kind of how I thought about it. I don't even usually use Fortresses, either (though I have done so later in some games), just based how most invasions have gone. Usually someone's in my territory, and I tell them to get out or DoW, and they DoW, at which point I can be prepared to go. My current game that's almost over, every time that happened I was not even ready for the war but cleaned up each time (or made a convenient PT until I could be ready). Either way, an Outpost would not have helped anything, Marsh or not.
It depends on your corruption levels and also on what the base terrain is; you might just want to keep the original terrain for its food/gold production. I also recommend that you first build roads and then plant forests, to save you a few headaches.
You have to take into account that
I often, especially with later-built cities (or no sooner than Republic, at least), rush the aqueduct. Is that not worth doing, if there are forests nearby? I used to routinely cut forests, but stopped once I realized they are 2-shield squares, so I stopped unless I needed the food more.
Why is that? Is the combination of railroad+mine (or RR+any square) equally or more useful? I haven't noticed, and have been leaving forests (and mining) when I find I have more food coming in than I need. E.g., I built very few Hospitals my last game, and only when necessary (I traded for Sanitation fairly late in the game, relatively speaking). In fact, most of the cities I needed them for were conquered ones with lots of space in-between (I even had to built a few new ones in conquered territory).
RR+mine is at least as productive as forest on any square. On grassland you get 1 more food, on plains you get 1 more production. On tundra the output is the same, and forest gives reduced movement to attacking troops so forest can be preferable.
A town doesn't actually need a 'Duct until it's at Pop6 and due to fill its food-box in 2T at current harvest: a newly built Duct will then allow the town to roll over to Pop7 without wasting food.
True, as @justanick already mentioned
Absolutely NOT true! Railroads boost the output from the terrain-improvement: if irrigated, then food; if mined, then shields.
Aesthetically, I'd agree that trees are nicer. But once I start founding them, my Tundra-towns will usually be packed CxC, and I'll be chopping Forests for any needed improvements (e.g. Walls or Harbours) so I'll be down to bare snow everywhere. And once that's the case, it's quicker to dig mines than it is to re-plant the Forest (6T vs 9T).
That's a good point, thanks. I'll try to remember that going into my next game (Warlord, Standard map). Can't decide whether to go Scientific-Industrious (Persians, Ottomans) or Scientific-Commercial (Greece, Koreans). Any thoughts? It seems both would have about equal advantages, but I'm leaning toward Industrious for the worker efficiency in getting everything roaded & mined as quickly as possible.
What I mean is that a forest tile is 1 food, 2 shields. A mined, RR'ed grass tile is 2 food 2 shields (one food more than forest) and a mined, RR'ed plains tile is 1 food 3 shields (one production more than forest). The advantage of forest is that a 2 move unit will only be able to invade at 1 tile per turn, giving you extra turns to get your mobile defence to the area.
