Yeah, but he didn't say "another", he said a "neighboring" nation. A "nation" (as distinct from a state) can neighbor territory that is not governed by a "nation" (or a state).
Quick! Quick! Everyone to the other side of the boat!
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Puck Nutty
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Is it wrong for me to wish that someone would just forcibly evacuate Isreal and Palestine then nuke it 'til it glows?
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Seriously, it's like two children fighting over a toy truck or something.
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Seriously, it's like two children fighting over a toy truck or something.
Why evacuate it first?
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You're putting words in my mouth. The connotations are there enough. You're arguing semantics.
A "nation" in specific contexts like this is a subset of a state. I don't think many people would honestly argue Palestinians are a subset of the state of Israel. I think the layman's usage of the term nation as synonymous with state was a fair interpretation of his post.
You objected to the idea that you called Palestine a sovereign country.
Okay, fine, set me straight: should Palestine be a sovereign country?
Puck Nutty
Prince
Well, I don't want anyone to die, I just want to take away the source of the conflict. The proverbial toy truck, as it were.
Rashiminos
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We are in disagreement over meanings. The argument over semantics is not trivial here.
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Where's this Isreal?
Dreadnought
Deity
You haven't read Carl Friedrich recently, have you? Or Benedict Anderson?
You make a thread about defining nations, I'll debate it all day.
For all intents and purposes, Palestine is a "state". But that doesn't imply anything -- by saying that, I'm merely allocating a geographic region to the name Palestine.
I think, should the area become stabilized and the militancy of the region reduced, then sure, Palestine should be a country. Its just too unstable at the moment.
Doesn't really matter. States have bordered territory that is not claimed by states for a very long time. Take Bir Tawil, for instance - and that's just a modern example.
I'll assume you're serious. The Levant and the history within it actually mean a lot to a lot of people.
Precisely the problem i think he aims to solve with the nuking.
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Drago: My name is Drago. I'm a fighter from the Soviet Union. I fight all my life and I never lose. Soon I fight [Chechen rebels], and the world will see [Chechen rebels] defeat. Soon, the whole world will know my name.
Drago: [Chechen rebels] will lose.
Drago: I must break [Chechen rebels].
Drago: If [Chechen rebels] dies, [Chechen rebels] dies.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089927/quotes
You now owe me a litre of vodka. How much is in a litre again?
A thousand millilitres, but I don't think that said Chechnya was another nation or country!
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Russian Interregator #1: Why are you here [in Chechnya, which is another nation or country]?
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Why am I here? Why are you here? Why is anybody here? I think it was Jean-Paul Sartre who once said... how do you spell spell Sartre?
[soldier slaps him]
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Owww... and let that be a lesson to you.
Russian Interregator #2: Every minute you don't tell us why you are here [in Chechnya, which is another nation or country], I cut off a finger.
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Mine or yours?
Russian Interregator #2: Yours.
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Damn!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090056/quotes
How much is in a millilitre? Can you get back to me within a fortnight?
nivi
Call me Ishmael
Are rockets and morters considered flying objects? More than a hundered were launched into Israel this weekend.
Sure, if they're over drinking age
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
And just look at the thousands of Israeli civilians who have been killed as a result. It looks like it's time to kill even more Palestinians again.
ElBaradei: If Israel Attacks Gaza, Egypt Will Strike Back
Ruh roh. Looks like that Egyptian democracy thing may have some latent problems.
nivi
Call me Ishmael
Israel investing billions of dollars into defense (shelter, early warning system and anti rocket capabilities) means that less Israelis would be killed by it, but it does not nullify the intent of HAMAS to kill.
I'll be back in about 12 hours.
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