quorum abolition

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it has come to my attention after having two polls to fill a critical post of provincial governmant fail to meet the minimum number of votes, that most persons who join do not actively pursue breaking issues. i feel that the quorum should be eliminated as in 48 hours those who care about the issue will already have voted. those who do not vote probably do not care and therefore major issues and government posts should not be forced to go unresloved and unfilled. i will welcome any suggestions. thank you.
 
I have seen this problem. Most people in this demogame probaly have as well. It was dealt with before, but I don't think it worked. There should be a time limit like you suggested as well as a quorum.
 
One of the reasons the quorum was put in place was to prevent last minute polls, such as the ones I put up on occasion in the early going of the first game.;)
 
Dont you think that this idea is a bit on the silly side? In response to the quorum its in the constitution and wee need something to say weather or not it goes, its just like any senate, house of reps or praliment where representation is done by democracy you cant fault the citizens nor the quorum rule. The deputy governors thing wasnt even a true binding poll cuz the constitution does not allow for deputy gov or whatever they are called, as for anything else thats the way the cookie crumbles its just a fact of like, shoot even the U.S has problems with their citizens voting NL. The province of bohemia will not go ungoverned, as the domestic department will take over until the first of the month when a new governor has been elected. this late into the month its best to wait and you can run in an election where the majority vote wins
 
i agree with NL and Fionn. I agree that the quorum is a bit hard too reach, but i also think it is needed. I think a compromise should be reached. I think that the quorum should be lessened to say ten. or any other number that is less then the current number of 21, i believe. I think however, that since this is such a big issued, it should be taken to the polls. However we have reached a mutually point in the process. We could (A) hope that it reaches quorum, or (b) take it as an opinion of the people. After this, we could either accept it, or if there are still to many objectors, pass it on to the Senate. If it passes here, then we make an ammendment. I am proposeing the process of which this would go through, and a possible idea, but the main emphasis is on the process.

The Great Iguanaman
 
The quorum is based on the presidential election turnout
so if 50 people vote then half that is 25, its the way it works. Its in the constitution, if you dont like it propose a change to the constitution :)
 
The abolisition of the quroum would be one of the worse things possible for the Fanatikan Legislative process. We need it to prevent polls passing with one vote. The quroums are in place for the reason of keeping it difficult to pass laws, and approve people.

Believe me, I've had many a frustation with it, but keep on campaigning, and the people will vote.
 
what about mayoral elections in valhalla? last i checked there were two official citizens there, their election will never reach quorum. and, octavian x, if in the 48 hours a poll is required constitutionally to be open only one person votes, then only one person apparently felt it was important enough to contribute an opinion on. just because only one person cares about the issue doesnt mean their voice should go unheard. besides, im not just talking about my polls specifically, im talking about polls in general. i just use mine because they are a recent and clear example of the problem im talking about. i evidently had the majority support, it was simply that only so many people felt the appointment was an important topic. the position should not have gone unfilled simply because most people did not feel it affected them.
 
we dont have elections for mayors those are appointed. i think your missing the point NL even if you had won the election for deputy gov it wouldnt have been illegal. Now i dont know about chat rep but maybe you should do some campaigning and getting yourself well know altho with this thread it may just happen. Let the people get a feel for you. I highly doubt the issue on the quorum will ever get resolved and if a poll doesnt reach quorum the citizens didnt like the poll and chose not to vote. Thats not your fault, maybe some just dont campaign enough for thier issue altho AJ did a good job campaigning it, people just didnt feel it was right to do an end run around the constitution.
 
youve gotta admit though, no matter how much you campain it still depends on the people. Look at my signature, go to the RPG forum and go to the Pub. I bough the next 5 people and oj (which i belive is still there if you wanna go snag it up :) ) and ive been going to many threads campaining. I think that you might want to take into account that unlike me,you, and a few others, who vote on every poll, there are a vast number who will only vote on polls that help them personally or benefit them, not the people of our great country.

The Great Iguanaman
 
thats a very cynical view of the way things are right now. it could be that since its so close to elections why bother with the vote. i managed to secure enough votes to be come the domestic departments chat rep before i became the domestic minister due to the resignation of chiefpaco. Give it some time.
 
well you make a valid point, i guess i should not be to disappointed if i do not get elected right now, and if i do the elections are coming up soon anyway. But this is just an example. even the elections that really matter, like a science poll, doesnt even reach quorum. I realize it doesnt matter if that kinda poll doesnt reach quorum, but im just saying that it should atleast be lowered. I am not in favor of abolishing it and if it comes to that i will vote no. But i am all for voteing yes on lowering the amount of votes.

The Great Iguanaman
 
it cant be lowered unless there is a low turnout in the presidential elections and the elections are where all the citizens vote no matter what
 
There is a way to lower it, but it'd be very difficult work.

First, you'd have to convince people that a change is needed, and this in itself is very difficult. After judiciary approval, several polls would need to be posted, one to change Article I of the constituion, which requires 27 YES votes, not votes total, along with a senate poll. This would be accompianied by several polls to pass requried changes to the Code of Laws, with one more council vote to change the Code of Standards.

I'm not one to be a pessimist, but at this point, changing the quroum is practically impossible.
 
i agree completely that its practically impossible, but its kinda ironic we have to reach a certain number of votes before we can change the number of votes needed. Alas, i just feel strongly about this, but it is NLs thread, and i will help him go through these steps, and possibabley by the end of the game we will have ammended it. Thank you Octavian for your information.

The Great Iguanaman
 
im with octavian when i say i highly doubt that it will be changed. Sorry guys but its a losing battle. Try changing something small before you tackle a big issue like quorum
 
you can change avatars once you reach 300 posts, besides whos av would you want changed anyways, everyones got cool original ones:)
 
i was just giving an example i thought was funny. Speaking of avatars, if i keep up my current rate of polls il lbe able to change mine in 10 more days. I mean honostly, i cant even change my title yet and its already changed itself to warlord. Well, good chat Fionn.

The Great Iguanaman
 
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