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The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them.

-- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98

To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago.

--John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02
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The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated
with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning

--Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98/

As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N.
weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago.

--Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02
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The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on
its promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes.

--AP, 12/16/98

Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998.

--AP, 9/7/02
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Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq.

--Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98

It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report
said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons.

--Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02
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The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from
chief weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and
Britain repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes.

--Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98

If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them.

--Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02
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This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be
no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a
predawn evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain.

--Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98

What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at
the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now
been several years since those inspectors were kicked out.

--John King, CNN, 8/18/02
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Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking
permission from the Security Council.

--USA Today, 12/17/98

Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies.

--USA Today, 9/4/02
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But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the
International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted
after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary
General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh.

--New York Times, 12/18/98

America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled
United Nations arms inspectors four years ago.

--New York Times editorial, 8/3/02
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Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most
members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report.

--Washington Post, 12/18/98

Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological
weapons,

--Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02
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Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's
continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction.

-- Newsday, 12/17/98

The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and
they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous.

--Newsday editorial, 8/14/02
 
Yes, it is interesting how the words have been changed :lol:

"Forced to leave" could be interpreted as having to leave because they were unable to complete the job that they had been assigned. Kicked-out is a bit far off the mark though.

"Propmantics" - where semantics meet propoganda. :)
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/iraq/30549.stm

"Saddam raised the stakes on October 29, when American members of the UN weapons inspection teams were stopped from entering the sites. "
"Saddam insisted the Americans would be banned until a clear timetable was drawn up for the lifting of sanctions against Iraq. "

From the American point of view, they were kicked out. Or refused admittance to inspection sites.
 
"I don't think that Saddam Hussein is deliberately starving his own people. I would think that a man who gets 99 percent of the people to vote for him in an election and the people love him so much, how would they love a man that is starving them?'' - Louis Farrakhan
 
How many straw men do you go through in a week, rms? :lol:

I notice you keep reusing the LK straw man argument... run out of other nonrhetorical, distractive debate tactics????
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
"I don't think that Saddam Hussein is deliberately starving his own people. I would think that a man who gets 99 percent of the people to vote for him in an election and the people love him so much, how would they love a man that is starving them?'' - Louis Farrakhan

There are a lot of idiots out there who are so full of themselves they could never imagine how big of a tool they really are. Farrakhan is one of the worst of the lot. However, I really don't see what this has to do with the topic.
 
I thought it was a very amusing quote that reflects the kind of nonsense that these other quotes are.

I know this is a difficult concept for some, but Saddam Hussein IS NOT A GOOD GUY.
 
Why are quotes from USA Today (nice montage, by the way, Troquelet, you really are an inspiration to us down-and-out would be do-gooders) nonsense?

And rmsharpe, would you consider AIDS to be the Louis Farrakhan of diseases, or how would you feel if you were dragged out of your hut and disemboweled by leftists guerillas?

(That last is my new "rmsharpe quote montage: Puff daddy remix")
 
Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
And rmsharpe, would you consider AIDS to be the Louis Farrakhan of diseases, or how would you feel if you were dragged out of your hut and disemboweled by leftists guerillas?

No, since AIDS isn't a brain disorder. Farrakhan, on the other hand...

Second, I'd feel pretty dead. I hate leftist guerillas. You know that.
 
Sorry rm, thanks for the good humor!
 
It's not my work, it's FAIR's. OH NO!!!! Look out for the stampede of rightists chanting "watchdog group! watchdog group!" SOS! :lol:

Those ARE actual quotes, I checked up on about half of them in my extensive news collection.

I don't see how they're "nonsense". I assume in conservative language "nonsense" means "something I don't need to hear, truth or not". Now I see why you abbreviate it.

"Saddam Hussein IS NOT A GOOD GUY."

If you point out to me where exactly in this thread this was under debate, I will eat my monitor. More distractive argument.

To go back to Greadius and the others, obviously they had little choice about whether they were going to stay in Iraq or not... I think the idea is more that the semantics themselves can change. As Saddam grew more "evil" in our eyes we changed "left" to "kicked out". It doesn't mean anything - the same event happened - which was probably a mix of the two, since the inspectors were forewarned of the airstrikes.

I think what's really under debate is how on earth these widely varying news-sources all happened to use the exact same phrasing... and change it as well, when the incident took on a new light.
 
Did you compile those quotes yourself or were they from another source?

I'm guessing that if you search for quotes that use the different language from back then, you'll find uses of both semantics at both times. The fact of the matter is most of those media outlets had major stories on Iraq then and now, and are likely to repeat similar phrases over time. I'm sure they were kicked out in '98 and they left in 2002 if you look for it.

The individual who compiled this list was obviously looking to imply that the media outlets are changing the wording with the conserted effort of affecting public opinion to change on their behalf.
 
Facts get fuzzy over time, Troquelet. I really appreciate your design on this posting. And it is important to point those things out. The news not only shapes our opinions, but it often dictates our mental pallette - as seen in the past few weeks of sniper hysteria. An immigrant friend of mine from Pakistan was transfixed: "How can they show one thing on the news all day every day for a week?" And sometimes we get brief news blips that are forever buried (several of these are really bugging me).
 
Like the plane that crashed in a Queens neighborhood just 3 months after Sept 11 - never heard about it again. The engine fell off, supposedly.
 
Originally posted by The Troquelet
Like the plane that crashed in a Queens neighborhood just 3 months after Sept 11 - never heard about it again. The engine fell off, supposedly.

Actually it is funny, I did hear about that just the other day on NPR, they apparently just concluded the investigation, that it was inconclusive but may have been stress to the plane from 747 backdraft.

I still never heard anything else about:

1. On Sept. 11, 2001 it was reported on TV that there was a "second bit of wreckage" six miles from flight 93 crash site (I always figured it was bits shot off by the US Air force planes that 'didn't shoot it down').

2. On Sept. 11, 2002 it was reported by Dan Rather in the middle of the solemn reading of names that "Bin Laden was killed november 9 2001 according to a Sudanese web site". Not only was this the rudest violation of that reading I can think of, but also never followed up on despite being so important they thought they could write it up.

3. What'd they ever decide to do with the Smiley Face Mailbox bomber? I know I could probably look it up, but damn it, the news should come to me, I shouldn't have to go looking for it.

4. Didn't they lock up 1,000 Arab types in New Jersey without trial and without specific charges? Whatever happened to those guys? (I hope they trained them to be spies...)

5. Remember the Eastern European who hijacked the bus and cut the throat of the driver? What about that guy?

The list could be endless, but any one of these fascinates me more than the latest abducted child or Bush railing at the UN.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
"I don't think that Saddam Hussein is deliberately starving his own people. I would think that a man who gets 99 percent of the people to vote for him in an election and the people love him so much, how would they love a man that is starving them?'' - Louis Farrakhan

"In my experience, if you grab them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow!" - Gen. D. MacArthur


With a gun to your head you'll love everyone they tell you to love
 
Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.


"In my experience, if you grab them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow!" - Gen. D. MacArthur


With a gun to your head you'll love everyone they tell you to love

So, what you're saying is that there really isn't a big diffrence between Saddam and Bush??? :crazyeye:
 
Since this is called quotes... Note to America....

Just a little more time is all we're asking for
Cause just a little more time could open closing doors
Just a little uncertainty can bring you down

And nobody wants to know you now
And nobody wants to show you how

So if you're lost and on your own
You can never surrender
And if your path won't lead you home
You can never surrender
And when the night is cold and dark
You can see, you can see light
Cause no one can take away your right
To fight and never surrender

With a little perseverance you can get things done
Without the blind adherence that has conquered some

And nobody wants to know you now
And nobody wants to show you how

So if you're lost and on your own
You can never surrender
And if your path won't lead you home
You can never surrender
And when the night is cold and dark
You can see, you can see light
Cause no one can take away your right
To fight and never surrender
To never surrender

~Matthew
 
Sunny: I am saying that we have to very carefull when quoting people. The above quote about Saddam is obviously either taken out of context (and was originally intended to be ironic) or comes from a complete idiot. The 'grab em by the balls' quote comes from an entirely different time and place and background - so be carefull with quotes! I am quite intrigued how similar totally different people with totally different aims and intentions often express them (remember the Hitler-Bush-quotes? "Every nation now has to decide.....").


As for the Iraq thing: you can find quotes to whatever effect you want on that - while the truth on the matter (even according for the different perspectives of different people from different cultures) is quite obvious.
 
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