Random Rants 0x52: [Obligatory rant about title]

[MaryKB]

I still feel more comfortable giving him cues that I don't care for it, by doing things such as asking him for a specific brand next time

 

[Snerk]

I have yet to sample wine I did not care for. Further evidence of my uncultured and brutishly unrefined palate.

 

[Farm Boy]

Ah, but then he doesn't get to have the fun of trying his hand at picking out wines that his wife will like!

I wouldn't want to keep asking her for specific types of dinners. That would limit her creativity.

Not everything being the best is a cost of finding the truly unexpected good in the fun, yes.

 

[Synobun]

I have yet to sample wine I did not care for. Further evidence of my uncultured and brutishly unrefined palate.

All red wine.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Wait, this is the rants thread. So shouldn't it be whine?

 

[Lexicus]

Cheap wine out of a box gives me an instant headache and tastes pretty terrible.

 

[MaryKB]

Cheap wine out of a box gives me an instant headache and tastes pretty terrible.

Boxes don't have an effect on quality ... you can have horrible wine in a bottle, and amazing wine in a box. Boxed wine is cheaper because it's easier to package, store, and distribute, not because they're taking shortcuts in how they make it.

I have no idea how much he paid for this wine he bought last night, but it tastes sour and oily. I feel like I'm drinking some kind of cleaner product or something.

 

[Farm Boy]

Heheh, yeah. You really don't want him thinking you like that stuff.

I remember a period of burnt meals and a very sad beautiful woman learning to cook in her early 20s. Every now and then the answer is "I love it!" even if she knows the carbon content makes that impossible, and then it's time to get seconds. But that's not all the time.

 

[Lexicus]

Boxes don't have an effect on quality ... you can have horrible wine in a bottle, and amazing wine in a box. Boxed wine is cheaper because it's easier to package, store, and distribute, not because they're taking shortcuts in how they make it.

I've never heard of amazing wine out of a box. I wouldn't rule out its existence, but I don't think any winemaker worth the paper it's printed on will keep good wine in a plastic container, because the container wine is kept in will definitely affect the taste.

Boxed wine is generally just cheaper wine, as in, it's made more cheaply. That doesn't mean you can't get cheap, bad wine out of a bottle, of course.

edit: just asked my friend who spent years working in high-end wine/liquor shops in the DC area, he confirms that while there are some good wines that will come in a box generally boxed wine is not good wine. Not that it's bad because it's boxed, but just because it's usually cheap wine that is put in boxes/bags.

 

[MaryKB]

I feel you're thinking of incorrect information. I mean sure, you're not going to age a fine wine in box, but most wine is meant to be drank quickly anyway and gets worse over time. That plastic bubble thing won't affect taste at all, I'm not sure where you're getting that from, but there's lots of myths (like corks are better than screw tops,etc)

Lots of old wineries in Europe box their wine, because it's cheaper and easier like I said, and you can sell your wine for a better price and margin. It has absolutely nothing to do with your wine's quality, except if it's one of those vintages you want to age for a few decades, but that's a totally different story.

I'd say a good box of wine is about equal to wines you can buy for $20-$30 a bottle, except you're paying the equivalent of like $5-$10 a bottle. Black Box is pretty good, I get that one often.

I'd suggest reading this link: https://learn.winecoolerdirect.com/boxed-wine-vs-bottled-wine/

But basically, if you've never tried boxed wine before, and you're only holding out because you think it's poorer quality, I suggest going out and trying some! Also with your environmentalism, well apparently boxed is much friendly than bottled XD

 

[Lexicus]

That plastic bubble thing won't affect taste at all, I'm not sure where you're getting that from

I can tell the difference between other liquids depending on the container they come out of. Milk in a plastic container tastes very different to me than milk from a cardboard carton, for example. I would never drink cognac out of a plastic solo cup because it will taste way worse than if it comes out of a glass. I don't see why wine should be any different.

But basically, if you've never tried boxed wine before, and you're only holding out because you think it's poorer quality, I suggest going out and trying some! Also with your environmentalism, well apparently boxed is much friendly than bottled XD

Cheap wine out of a box gives me an instant headache and tastes pretty terrible.

I have tried boxed wine. Franzia, IIRC. Like I said, it tasted bad and gave me a headache before I was done with the first glass. I know there is also bottled wine that will have this effect on me. Often the "house wine" at a restaurant will be cheap enough to give me a headache.

Anyway, I don't really go out and buy bottles of wine. I will have glasses of wine at restaurants sometimes.

 

[rah]

My father (mhrip) drank a lot of wine and found one brand in the box that he claimed was drinkable. But that was the highest praise he ever gave a boxed wine.

 

[MaryKB]

I can tell the difference between other liquids depending on the container they come out of. Milk in a plastic container tastes very different to me than milk from a cardboard carton, for example. I would never drink cognac out of a plastic solo cup because it will taste way worse than if it comes out of a glass. I don't see why wine should be any different.

I have tried boxed wine. Franzia, IIRC. Like I said, it tasted bad and gave me a headache before I was done with the first glass. I know there is also bottled wine that will have this effect on me. Often the "house wine" at a restaurant will be cheap enough to give me a headache.

Anyway, I don't really go out and buy bottles of wine. I will have glasses of wine at restaurants sometimes.

I'd think you'd know your personal limited experience isn't universally true Franzia isn't bad (I prefer Black Box), it depends a lot too I guess on what blend you're buying, and whether or not that is one that appeals to you. But your saying about how only crappy wine gets put in boxes is absolutely not true, and these wine companies know a heck of a lot more than you about storage, and apparently the plastic bag has no effect on taste compared to glass bottles; but some people still even think corks are better than screw tops, when it's meaningless.

I normally buy $40-$80 bottles of wine, but one of my big reasons too is to limit my consumption. I used to buy boxes often, but I drink too much when I do XD

But yes if you're not regularly buying wine to drink, then really this won't affect you at all, I just feel how you put down boxed wine like you did it comes off very snobby, but based on ignorance (and prejudice), and if you're turning up your nose at wine from a box purely because it's from a box then you could really be missing out.

 

[JohannaK]

Lots of old wineries in Europe box their wine, because it's cheaper and easier like I said, and you can sell your wine for a better price and margin. It has absolutely nothing to do with your wine's quality, except if it's one of those vintages you want to age for a few decades, but that's a totally different story.

For real? Which ones? The only ones I see in the supermarket is horsehockey Don Simón, which is serviceable but not good. Then again I do not generally like wine, but I had my fair share of boxed wine in Australia and it was even worse. I am alsp not sure why you supposedly can't store an opened bottle again? Everyone does it all the time, and the only kind of wine this is a problem with is sparkling, which won't sparkle after a few days no matter what the opened container was.

 

[MaryKB]

For real? Which ones? The only ones I see in the supermarket is ****** Don Simón, which is serviceable but not good. Then again I do not generally like wine, but I had my fair share of boxed wine in Australia and it was even worse. I am alsp not sure why you supposedly can't store an opened bottle again? Everyone does it all the time, and the only kind of wine this is a problem with is sparkling, which won't sparkle after a few days no matter what the opened container was.

I have no idea, I just read somewhere about wine myths that it's common in Europe lol. You can keep using a box for several weeks after you open it, but with a bottle once it's open air will get in, and that'll be enough to spoil it before too long. But a box keeps it vacuum sealed, so you don't expose it all to air while you're pouring it out.

 

[Lexicus]

Franzia isn't bad

very snobby

Yeah, I think it's that I'm very snobby, because I definitely consider Franzia to be terrible.

 

[MaryKB]

Yeah, I think it's that I'm very snobby, because I definitely consider Franzia to be terrible.

There's nothing wrong with not liking Franzia, I'm talking about your overall view that boxed wine is automatically bad and only made by bad wineries

 

[Lexicus]

There's nothing wrong with not liking Franzia, I'm talking about your overall view that boxed wine is automatically bad and only made by bad wineries

Yeah, I stand corrected on that, I didn't realize any good wine came in boxes, but my expert friend said that there isn't that much good wine that comes in a box. Of course, he is absolutely what you would call a wine snob. I wouldn't rule out that we simply have different tastes in wine and that most of what comes in boxes is more to your taste than to mine.

He says he doesn't really drink wine because he can't afford to drink the wine he likes.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Someone should make an alcohol thread.

 

[Farm Boy]

Yeah, but it'll keep getting lost along with all the stumbly toots.