RAT-02- Deity

[Admiral Kutzov]

got it. not before tomorrow night.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

The bad news is we can no longer make muskets. The good news is that we can now build rifles.

1530 IT: Persia and Ottos sign peace

1545 IT: X demands incense, cave

1555: Safe steal nationalism from Abe.

1560 IT: Abe declares on Ottos

1575 IT: X declares on Rome

1580: Careful steal Communism from Abe

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Rat2_AK_1580_AD.SAV

Think we should hold off on the invasion and bring the fleet home to upgrade. Suggest RoP with Ottos to keep them off our back while we revolt to Commie. As Commie our unit support costs go way down and we get money to steal our way to inf. Will we have enough time to get to RP?

 

[ThERat]

holding off means we will miss another election date, or am I wrong? but we need a stronger force and need to make nice with everyone to win the election.

The Roster
shevek - up
ThERat -on deck
rrau
dl123654
AK - just played

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I considered we'd miss another date, but feel we have a much better chance with rifles than muskets and a really good chance with inf and art. The question is how long will X keep warring. I didn't revolt so the group could decide.

 

[Shevek]

Sorry, I need a skip. RL problems, I have a court case coming up and a lot of paper work to go through.

 

[ThERat]

ok Shevek, hope all works out for you, the new roster then

shevek - skipped
ThERat - up
rrau -on deck
dl123654
AK - just played

so, what's the strategy? I didn't look at the save, but does someone know which year exactly we can expect the election, so we can invade 2 turns before that?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I'm not convinced we should start the invasion before we get inf. As commies we could steal our way to tech parity fairly rapidly. As commie's with cannons, we may have a shot at taking the Ottos if we're slow and careful.

 

[ThERat]

ok, sounds reasonable to me, we need inf and arty to be effective. but, still I would like to keep track of the election date. is there a way to track that?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I'm an idiot, you can't expect me to be counting things Intuitively, IIRC, every 6 turns?

 

[dl123654]

It was my understanding that the election was every ten turns, and with rrau's decription:

1450 ibt: Persia builds UN - no vote called

The UN was built between turn 4 and 5 or 5 and 6. Haven't won by UN is a while so can't remember if they ask you to vote that turn or the turn after. Therefore the election can be on turn 4, 5, 6 or 7

 

[ThERat]

The UN was built between turn 4 and 5 or 5 and 6. Haven't won by UN is a while so can't remember if they ask you to vote that turn or the turn after. Therefore the election can be on turn 4, 5, 6 or 7

if we want to pull this off, we better know the exact date.

@rrau, do you remember?

 

[dl123654]

Just found a old save where I was getting UN is 3 turns, it asked me if I wanted to vote the turn I built it therefore its down to turns 4, 5 or 6.

 

[rrau]

It was at the end of my fifth turn (I count the save I receive as turn 0).

So, it needs to be captured by/on turn 5 of each turn set, or we miss it.

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-turn
try to figure what turn will be election
ok UN was built in 1450AD
1450 - 1580 every 5 years a turn, it's 26 turns ago, will check whether there is a vote during my turns, but there wasn't in retrospective
would like to wait for steam until we revolt
try and build infra until then, since Ottoman at war with half the world, don't go for MPP

somehow there is one turn played too many last time
In the last turn get steam and we have 2 coal
now we can rail and maybe revolt, have too few workers though

 

[rrau]

got it, but won't play until tomorrow night, as it's the 3rd one I'm up in.

 

[rrau]

preflight (1625ad)

ibt:
Persia DoW on Ottomans

turn 1 (1630ad)

not much, can afford a safe steal next turn

turn 2 (1635ad)

safely steal electricity from America
Start a revolution - ugh 7 turns
MM cities to keep try to keep from rioting/starving

ibt: had one city starve and one riot

turn 3 (1640ad)

not much

ibt:
Ottomans and China signed peace treaty
China Built Hoover's Dam

turn 4 (1645ad)

starting a galleon with 3 cannon and a cav on its way.

turn 5 (1650ad)

not much

ibt:

Rome and America signed a peace treaty
Ottomans have built Seti Program

turn 6 (1655ad)

not much

ibt: Rome and Ottomans signed a peace treaty

turn 7 (1660ad)

not much

turn 8 (1665ad)

Trade Rome incense, wm, 85g for silks

ibt: The Viking Communist party takes control

turn 9 (1670ad)

lux to 0%
MM cities
Hmm. We were making more gpt in republic, even with a lux tax.

ibt: China DoW on Persia (I think by accident I thought I saw what was probably a chinese sub run into a Persian frigate off our coast)

turn 10 (1675ad)

Notes:

I think we probably have to try it this next turn set while Persia and China are at war and Persia's troops are up by the Chinese borders. With Seti being built, I think we're probably not that far from someone launching a spaceship.

 

[ThERat]

We were making more gpt in republic, even with a lux tax.

expected with this amount of cities we have.

I think our mini stack won't even scratch the city. my experience tells me that we can't beat those units parked in there. Cav's and stuff won't do, but we got no other choice, let's just try

shevek - skipped
ThERat
rrau - just played
dl123654 - up
AK -on deck

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

go for it. try to plant a spy first, see if persia will declare and use what gold we have to get alliances.

 

[dl123654]

Got it, tonight or tomorrow

 

[dl123654]

Buildup 2

Nothing realy happened this turnset, got another 6 boat loads of units down to the rally point, stole RP near the end.

We should NOT go until we have at least 8-12 artillery, and more cav there, (defense would be nice too but send the muskets).

And the AI is starting to get desperate: