ThERat
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Rat29 1BC AWM - pangaea
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el_filet
Prince
will get it tonight, probably play tomorrow
is revolt out of the question, even with our religous trait?
is revolt out of the question, even with our religous trait?
I would play at least 2 turns to get a feel for things and if you feel comfortable revolting any time after that then do so. My guess is that we can revolt on your turn because we are religious. We can handle the higher unit costs since we have the glib.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
It needs to happen sooner than later, if nothing else to allow faster growth, the despo penalty really hurts non agricultural civs. If you revolt at the end of a turn, we won't suffer much or long. India is close to eliminated, so we can then turn our focus on Rome. We should get knights pretty soon, so that will help, especially in an army. I figure we might also think about getting the army healthy and go pillaging the Romans Iron if we start seeing Legions.
el_filet
Prince
still didn't get to it, just assessed the situation. will play tonight, but feel free to skip me if you want to keep this going.
in 2 turns we'll have finished 3 builds, so revolt is off until then. lots of units around but nothing too threatening.
in 2 turns we'll have finished 3 builds, so revolt is off until then. lots of units around but nothing too threatening.
el_filet
Prince
Turn 0 (50 BC):
lots of enemy units around, but nothing too threatening so far.
shut off science
waiting 2 turns gives us 2 sword and walls in bombay, will revolt earliest after that.
we're 4th in goods, hope that will change with monarchy
we got mono as free tech, that could have gone better
this terrain won't be easy to hold. hope we'll be able to get a more defendable position.
up lux until babylon grows
Turn 1:
move units to releave army. consider covering road for gems, but we can't afford the units.
scandinavians founded stavanger W of texcoco lake
IBT:
greek and roman settlers head back, there must be a resource near stavanger
Turn 2:
kill some units around bengalore
spot red boarder southwest
let's get it over with...revolt
losing gems now would cause unrest, so cover it for a while
Turn 3:
not much
Turn 4:
madras revolts. forgot about that wheat...
we're a monarchy
lux back to 10%
switch delhis worker to cat, we could use some big cities for unit support
IBT:
legions...
Turn 6:
prepare to take calcutta
cover mountains near bombay
Turn 7:
conquer calcutta
can't afford to let units trough, kill some.
took advantage of legion on grass, but now think wasn't worth hurting the army
IBT:
we get feudalism
incans start sun tsu, greeks HG
Turn 8:
green boardes in the southwest
pull army back, 9/14
IBT:
greek MI joins legions
Turn 9:
lose sword in stupid attempt to protect bangalore. well, he could have lost one HP...
IBT:
bengalore falls. not abandoning it cost us 27g
cuzco finishes HG
Turn 10:
get rid of legion next to delhi
Notes:
hope my naive hope to keep bengalore won't prove too costly
there are unmoved swords around, I'd use one to cover the injured sword near delhi. but next player may prefer to kill something
army unmoved and fully healed. suggest you look for that iron...
next turn we get MI for stavanger, sword on it's way.
suggest you start road toward lahore as soon as you can protect the workers.
the legion landing threatens delhi and madras. wall rush might be necessary.
all in all a bad situation became worse. we should decide what exactly to do now. it's either falling back or getting a more defendable city farther away. don't think we can do that without army.
lots of enemy units around, but nothing too threatening so far.
shut off science
waiting 2 turns gives us 2 sword and walls in bombay, will revolt earliest after that.
we're 4th in goods, hope that will change with monarchy
we got mono as free tech, that could have gone better
this terrain won't be easy to hold. hope we'll be able to get a more defendable position.
up lux until babylon grows
Turn 1:
move units to releave army. consider covering road for gems, but we can't afford the units.
scandinavians founded stavanger W of texcoco lake
IBT:
greek and roman settlers head back, there must be a resource near stavanger
Turn 2:
kill some units around bengalore
spot red boarder southwest
let's get it over with...revolt
losing gems now would cause unrest, so cover it for a while
Turn 3:
not much
Turn 4:
madras revolts. forgot about that wheat...
we're a monarchy
lux back to 10%
switch delhis worker to cat, we could use some big cities for unit support
IBT:
legions...
Turn 6:
prepare to take calcutta
cover mountains near bombay
Turn 7:
conquer calcutta
can't afford to let units trough, kill some.
took advantage of legion on grass, but now think wasn't worth hurting the army
IBT:
we get feudalism
incans start sun tsu, greeks HG
Turn 8:
green boardes in the southwest
pull army back, 9/14
IBT:
greek MI joins legions
Turn 9:
lose sword in stupid attempt to protect bangalore. well, he could have lost one HP...
IBT:
bengalore falls. not abandoning it cost us 27g
cuzco finishes HG
Turn 10:
get rid of legion next to delhi
Notes:
hope my naive hope to keep bengalore won't prove too costly
there are unmoved swords around, I'd use one to cover the injured sword near delhi. but next player may prefer to kill something
army unmoved and fully healed. suggest you look for that iron...
next turn we get MI for stavanger, sword on it's way.
suggest you start road toward lahore as soon as you can protect the workers.
the legion landing threatens delhi and madras. wall rush might be necessary.
all in all a bad situation became worse. we should decide what exactly to do now. it's either falling back or getting a more defendable city farther away. don't think we can do that without army.
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I would raise Lux 10% to get the Capitol even in food.
Madras is in grave danger of falling to the Roman Legion. I would immediately switch to a Spear and move the Sword in as well. We cannot afford to complete the Barracks.
We may be able to move the sword on the Iron to the 1 hp sword to attack the Red Warrior and then have the 3 hp sword on the mountain take out the Archer. This I think has the best chance of avoiding loss of a sword as it only leaves the Incan Warrior who has to attack defense 2 and is likely to have more than 1 hp. See Picture.
There is a complete lack of walls. We should build them in towns that can be attacked. This would have been better than attacking out and exposing units.
Madras is in grave danger of falling to the Roman Legion. I would immediately switch to a Spear and move the Sword in as well. We cannot afford to complete the Barracks.
We may be able to move the sword on the Iron to the 1 hp sword to attack the Red Warrior and then have the 3 hp sword on the mountain take out the Archer. This I think has the best chance of avoiding loss of a sword as it only leaves the Incan Warrior who has to attack defense 2 and is likely to have more than 1 hp. See Picture.
There is a complete lack of walls. We should build them in towns that can be attacked. This would have been better than attacking out and exposing units.
ThERat
Deity
Thanks for the analysis, Greebley 
I agree with the issues mentioned. Please do reinforce the frontlines before expanding again. Also, since there is now a city behind the lines in a potentially good spot, we need 3-4 swords to take care of that city.
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I agree with the issues mentioned. Please do reinforce the frontlines before expanding again. Also, since there is now a city behind the lines in a potentially good spot, we need 3-4 swords to take care of that city.
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Turn 0- raise lux 10%. Change Madras to Bowman
IBT- we lose 2 swords and kill an archer (2-1). The Legion moves towards Delhi
Turn 1- 2 MI and a Bowman Produced. Rush a Pikeman in Delhi.Rush another Pikeman in Bombay. I bombard the Legion Near Delhi. it hits and i hope it will run away to heal
IBT- The Archer and Warrior Pair attack Delhi. We lose exactly 1 Hp and win against both.Lots Of Legions Pouring in.
Turn 2- 2 Pikeman and a MI is produced. feel a lot more secure but still got to watch out for greek MI. A sword kills an Archer (2-4)
IT- The Army kills two MI (2-6). A spear gets on top of 1 of our Iron Resources. That Bastard will die
Turn 3- We get Engineering. Switch some towns to Trebs. A MI which i sent scouting and forgot to mention spots Lutetia, a Size 3 Roman town with Walls. Kill a Spear(2-7)
IT- Lose an MI to an Archer near Lutetia. (3-7)
Turn 4- Army kills another Spear (3-8)Rush a Pike in Bombay.
Turn 5- An Archer forces our Worker to run away. Pike finished in Bombay. starts Rax. enough Regulars for now. Sword Kills Archer (3-9)
IT- The Same Sword kills another Archer and gains Elite Status (3-10) The Romans move a small stack near Delhi.
Turn 6- Walls are rushed in Delhi to further secure it. A MI is rushed in Texcoco. An Elite is moved near Delhi
IT- 2 Legions attack the Elite Swordsman, who defeats them and generates a Leader. Unfortunately, the 3rd attacker kills the sword and the leader. An Legion kills a Pike. (5-12)
Turn 7-An Elite Sword kills an archer (5-13). 2 MIs are Produced. a Pike is Produced.
IT- an MI is killed by a horse, a Sword kills an Horseman (6-14). Due to my Negligence we lose 2 slaves
Turn 8- Rush Barracks in Bombay, i want to upgrade some Swords and start the offensives. The army kills an MI (6-15) An MI kills an Horse (6-16)
Turn 9- lose a Worker. My attempt to Leaderfish fails. (7-16) kill an archer and a warrior (7-18) Generating an Elite. Lahore gets a cultural Expansion, good time to take it
Turn 10- Riots in Babylon forces me to hire a scientist. Kill a Spear in Lahore.(7-19) I rush another Pikeman. I also See Roman MI.Upgrade two swords to MI
The Turnset is done. I didnt gain any ground but also didnt lose any ground. And we are about to gain some Ground
Comments will be appreciated.
IBT- we lose 2 swords and kill an archer (2-1). The Legion moves towards Delhi
Turn 1- 2 MI and a Bowman Produced. Rush a Pikeman in Delhi.Rush another Pikeman in Bombay. I bombard the Legion Near Delhi. it hits and i hope it will run away to heal
IBT- The Archer and Warrior Pair attack Delhi. We lose exactly 1 Hp and win against both.Lots Of Legions Pouring in.
Turn 2- 2 Pikeman and a MI is produced. feel a lot more secure but still got to watch out for greek MI. A sword kills an Archer (2-4)
IT- The Army kills two MI (2-6). A spear gets on top of 1 of our Iron Resources. That Bastard will die
Turn 3- We get Engineering. Switch some towns to Trebs. A MI which i sent scouting and forgot to mention spots Lutetia, a Size 3 Roman town with Walls. Kill a Spear(2-7)
IT- Lose an MI to an Archer near Lutetia. (3-7)
Turn 4- Army kills another Spear (3-8)Rush a Pike in Bombay.
Turn 5- An Archer forces our Worker to run away. Pike finished in Bombay. starts Rax. enough Regulars for now. Sword Kills Archer (3-9)
IT- The Same Sword kills another Archer and gains Elite Status (3-10) The Romans move a small stack near Delhi.
Turn 6- Walls are rushed in Delhi to further secure it. A MI is rushed in Texcoco. An Elite is moved near Delhi
IT- 2 Legions attack the Elite Swordsman, who defeats them and generates a Leader. Unfortunately, the 3rd attacker kills the sword and the leader. An Legion kills a Pike. (5-12)
Turn 7-An Elite Sword kills an archer (5-13). 2 MIs are Produced. a Pike is Produced.
IT- an MI is killed by a horse, a Sword kills an Horseman (6-14). Due to my Negligence we lose 2 slaves
Turn 8- Rush Barracks in Bombay, i want to upgrade some Swords and start the offensives. The army kills an MI (6-15) An MI kills an Horse (6-16)
Turn 9- lose a Worker. My attempt to Leaderfish fails. (7-16) kill an archer and a warrior (7-18) Generating an Elite. Lahore gets a cultural Expansion, good time to take it
Turn 10- Riots in Babylon forces me to hire a scientist. Kill a Spear in Lahore.(7-19) I rush another Pikeman. I also See Roman MI.Upgrade two swords to MI
The Turnset is done. I didnt gain any ground but also didnt lose any ground. And we are about to gain some Ground
Comments will be appreciated.
el_filet
Prince
From the sound of things, I take it you consolidated as planned. Good call on the rushes, that's what I should have done during my turnset. Guess Stavanger shrunk, the units to take it were ready.
Keep the scandinavian boats in mind. I'm afraid we'll soon have to consider the zerks.
Keep the scandinavian boats in mind. I'm afraid we'll soon have to consider the zerks.
Did you have a reason not to do the attacks I outlined for the preturn, or did you just miss my mention of them, or do them and not mention it? I think it would have saved at least one sword loss on average.
In any case, I got it and hope to start tonight at least, but may not finish until tomorrow.
In any case, I got it and hope to start tonight at least, but may not finish until tomorrow.
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@ El Filet- Stavanger grew, but they pop-rushed before i could move units in. My guess is that the Vikings DONT have Iron, i have been seeing nothing but warriors, archers and horsemen
@Greebley- I guess i didnt follow your plan to the letter, but the Legion moved unexpectedly towards Delhi. They seem to be ignoring Madras atm but once the AI finds that Delhi will not fall, it will get some hot action
@Greebley- I guess i didnt follow your plan to the letter, but the Legion moved unexpectedly towards Delhi. They seem to be ignoring Madras atm but once the AI finds that Delhi will not fall, it will get some hot action
I meant the killing of the Archer and warrior on turn zero before the AI has moved to protect the 1 hp Sword. I couldn't tell if this sword was a casualty or not on the first IBT - only that 2 sword were lost. Not that it really matters, but I was curious if the plan was done and if so whether it saved that 1 hp sword.
Preturn:
We have too few bombardment units for a AW game - namely a single catapult.
For example, in Delhi, if we could do a single point of damage to the Spear about to cut the road, it would retreat instead. We also cannot get really good odds without them.
I will try to work on this for my turn. A Treb should definitely be built in Delhi which is about to build a Regular Pike. We cannot afford to build regular Pikes and should only do so in emergencies. We need more workers as our lands aren't connected.
We also have a terrible front line but that is not anyones fault - its the variant. We need to consolidate our front if we can.
I see Lahore cut our capitol from the rest of the cities. I am guessing that is why the capitol is rioting? loss of Lux?
I get the list of the Largest civs:
Romans, Incans, Greeks, Vikings, Babylonians, Byzantines, Indians.
Lose one Sword attempting to free up the path to the Gems. I don't want it pillaged.
IBT: We win some battles mostly against Archers.
310 AD: Kill several units with no loss
320 AD: Kill a few units. Head to Lahore.
330 AD: Capture Lahore and the Indians are Destroyed.
IBT: Greek City cuts us off.
340 AD: Kill off Viking Horses near Horsietown.
IBT:
350 AD: Army makes it to Bangalore. Roman troops are getting pretty heavy.
360 AD: Roman now threaten Bombay.
IBT: Kill 2 attacking MDI.
370 Move on Greek city on road and Army near Bangalore - Oh and the North Viking city also turned size 2.
380 AD: Herakleia (Greek City) captured. Viking City autodestroyed - must have been size 1 but my unit moved to obscure this fact - Vikings are Feudalism.
Army loses HP attacking Bangalore.
Built some Horsemen so we can attack out and then move back into town.
IBT: Attacks on Bangalore all fail. Several MDI killed.
390 AD: Army Healing. Moving troops forward.
400 AD: Next turn we can attempt to take Bangalore back.
Notes:
We got the FP message
Romans are quite strong now. I hope we can go on the offensive against them. We may be able to get Bangalore next turn and then move on Palmyra
Certain cities really need courthouses.
Greeks got Sun Tzu
We have too few bombardment units for a AW game - namely a single catapult.
For example, in Delhi, if we could do a single point of damage to the Spear about to cut the road, it would retreat instead. We also cannot get really good odds without them.
I will try to work on this for my turn. A Treb should definitely be built in Delhi which is about to build a Regular Pike. We cannot afford to build regular Pikes and should only do so in emergencies. We need more workers as our lands aren't connected.
We also have a terrible front line but that is not anyones fault - its the variant. We need to consolidate our front if we can.
I see Lahore cut our capitol from the rest of the cities. I am guessing that is why the capitol is rioting? loss of Lux?
I get the list of the Largest civs:
Romans, Incans, Greeks, Vikings, Babylonians, Byzantines, Indians.
Lose one Sword attempting to free up the path to the Gems. I don't want it pillaged.
IBT: We win some battles mostly against Archers.
310 AD: Kill several units with no loss
320 AD: Kill a few units. Head to Lahore.
330 AD: Capture Lahore and the Indians are Destroyed.
IBT: Greek City cuts us off.
340 AD: Kill off Viking Horses near Horsietown.
IBT:
350 AD: Army makes it to Bangalore. Roman troops are getting pretty heavy.
360 AD: Roman now threaten Bombay.
IBT: Kill 2 attacking MDI.
370 Move on Greek city on road and Army near Bangalore - Oh and the North Viking city also turned size 2.
380 AD: Herakleia (Greek City) captured. Viking City autodestroyed - must have been size 1 but my unit moved to obscure this fact - Vikings are Feudalism.
Army loses HP attacking Bangalore.
Built some Horsemen so we can attack out and then move back into town.
IBT: Attacks on Bangalore all fail. Several MDI killed.
390 AD: Army Healing. Moving troops forward.
400 AD: Next turn we can attempt to take Bangalore back.
Notes:
We got the FP message
Romans are quite strong now. I hope we can go on the offensive against them. We may be able to get Bangalore next turn and then move on Palmyra
Certain cities really need courthouses.
Greeks got Sun Tzu
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Possible Targets
1) Bangalore- Already Covered
2)Palmyra- Shouldnt be defended by more than 2 pikes.
3) Lutetia- More Heavily Defended, a good Acquisition
@Greebley- Regular Pikes were built because of the pressing need for immediate defense. Now that the Immediate Danger is not there, Cities can build Trebs.
@ Next Player- The AI is moving in to settle our lands. Keep your Eyes Open
1) Bangalore- Already Covered
2)Palmyra- Shouldnt be defended by more than 2 pikes.
3) Lutetia- More Heavily Defended, a good Acquisition
@Greebley- Regular Pikes were built because of the pressing need for immediate defense. Now that the Immediate Danger is not there, Cities can build Trebs.
@ Next Player- The AI is moving in to settle our lands. Keep your Eyes Open
Ya, I don't disagree with those and do realize that is why we were short. I would have actually replaced a MDI or two with a treb or two in a core city.
I also switched Delhi because the emergency was over We had sufficient by that time.
ThERat
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just a reminder as TheOverseer has not posted a got it.
I agree that now we should stop stop producing regular units. I think we all underestimated the AI since it's monarch...well we will have a tough battle against those roman legions for sure
TheRat
el_filet
Rodent
Greebley
TheOverseer - up
just a reminder as TheOverseer has not posted a got it.
I agree that now we should stop stop producing regular units. I think we all underestimated the AI since it's monarch...well we will have a tough battle against those roman legions for sure
TheOverseer714
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Got it, will play tomorrow after finishing my Hawk turnset. Combat is the same at any level, so I definitely do not underestimate legions. This is getting tough, though I think the terrain is as much an enemy as the romans. Those damn mountains....
