RB2b - Mali - Noble - Just Win Baby!
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regoarrarr
King
Woot! So is the order above the play order? Does everyone have the game and installed?
We're spiritual and financial - i'm in the middle of my first game with Saladin (Spiritual and philosophical). Spiritual is good - no anarchy when changing civics. I'm not sure what financial does. I did see something in Sullla's walkthrough about "cottage spam" as a financial civ - I assume that means putting cottages down everywhere and reaping the commerce income. Maybe we can look into that.
We're spiritual and financial - i'm in the middle of my first game with Saladin (Spiritual and philosophical). Spiritual is good - no anarchy when changing civics. I'm not sure what financial does. I did see something in Sullla's walkthrough about "cottage spam" as a financial civ - I assume that means putting cottages down everywhere and reaping the commerce income. Maybe we can look into that.
I'm here, and yes I have the game installed and it's running great.
Financial trait gives a bonus of 1 commerce to any tile that is already making 2 commerce. Since a village gives two commerce spamming them goes great with this tech [or at least that's what others are saying, haven't tried it yet].
regoarrarr said:
Financial trait gives a bonus of 1 commerce to any tile that is already making 2 commerce. Since a village gives two commerce spamming them goes great with this tech [or at least that's what others are saying, haven't tried it yet].
StarrySurprise
Chieftain
Yep, I have the game installed, ready whenever.
Alright, I'll make the game, and we'll get this started!
Looking forward to playing with everyone, let's make this a memorable one.
-Jester
One other note: Speaker, I presume you mean for me to make a game with the name "RB2b", not "RB2a"?
Looking forward to playing with everyone, let's make this a memorable one.
-Jester
One other note: Speaker, I presume you mean for me to make a game with the name "RB2b", not "RB2a"?
Welcome, one and all, young and old, but especially our team here at the Realms Beyond Civilization Succession Game Number 2 Subsection B to this thread, the very hearth and home of our first SG experience!
I'll be your host, Jester, and the Malinese the instrument of our limitless ambitions! So, folks, here we have it: the first thirty turns! Without futher ado, let us commence:
(1) 4000 BC: I start the game. We begin in a position thats nice in rivers, but poor in food. However, were next to some grain, and that helps. I found our city, Timbuktu, and the barbarian hut pops, giving us some maps. I set production to a warrior.
Time to weigh our situation: We have wheat, which is good. Were next to marble, which is *very* good. Sugar, gold and pigs are also visible. The gold is right next to some beautiful flood plains. We should consider some dotmaps for putting a nice specialist city up there. Also, were right next to the coast, which should be a high priority for putting down a city or two. Hopefully, well get fish, clams, crabs, n all that nice seafood.
For our first tech, I select mysticism. I doubt well be able to land either Hinduism or Buddhism, but I figure we might as well take a shot at getting Judaism. It is only noble, after all, and Id like to have a religion if we can make it. Agriculture has to wait until we have a worker anyways, so, to invoke Sirian, that which can wait, should wait! (Now watch as he completely disagrees with everything Ive said here.)
Mysticism due in 6 turns.
I move our warrior to the coast. No luck yet.
(2,3,4) 3960, 3920, 3880: Exploring to the northeast
(5) 3840 BC: Stone to the northeast! Marble plus stone = options.
(6) 3800 BC: Fish discovered to the NE. Theres a spot for a city that could get corn, stone and fish. Definitely a preferred site for our dotmapping. Plus, were apparently at the bottom of a peninsula. On the minus side, that means our capital is hogging all the space for potential cities. On the plus side, there are clams down south! Linguine alla Vongole for everyone!
(7) 3760 BC: We meet Peter, to the NE. Hopefully he doesnt steal our stone!
And, as luck would have it, Ive just discovered my first bug. I minimized the window (to add to this report you read right now), and upon my return to the game, the there will be peace in our time option is *under* the interface window! I cant click on it, and that just leaves one option, war. Since were not really interested in war, I start to fiddle. After some experimentation, I find the global view button solves my problem, although it goes back to being bugged after I zoom back in. Well, fodder for the patching process, I guess.
I make peace with Peter. Hopefully he wont hem us in, but expanding in his direction ought to be a priority for us.
Mysticism comes in, and I pick polytheism. Buddhism would be nice, but were almost sure to lose it, and it doesnt lead to Judaism in any case. Polytheism is safer, AFAIK.
(8) 3720 BC: I continue to follow the coast.
(9) 3680 BC: Nothing eventful
(10) 3640 BC: Buddhism is founded in a distant land. Told you so! Well, polytheism probably isnt a good bet then, but theres an outside chance theres only one spiritual player, in which case we might still get it. Time will tell I resume alas alas.
(Warning to self: 10 turns have expired. 30 turns remaining.)
(11) 3600: Timbuktu finishes its warrior. It grew a couple turns ago, and is now also working the sugar, for a nice balance of resources. I decide to build another warrior, and give our city time to grow to size 3. The game recommends a settler, but Im dubious about that.
I send the new warrior up to grab the goodie hut in the northwest, and finish scouting that area.
(12) 3560: Hinduism founded in a distant land. Great, a second opponent with spiritual. Just peachy. Well, we play the hand were dealt , and try to play for Judaism. If not, I just set us back by quite a few tech turns. At least well get masonry out of it.
(13) 3520: Found Peter in the east. We should be able to race him to the stone/corn/fish spot I hope. This is a priority, for sure.
(14) 3440: Goodie hut gets us experience (5) and finds us some lions! Hooray for lions!
(15) 3400: We kill the lions. Hooray for killing lions! I take both of our units promotions in woodsman, in order to speed up scouting.
(16) 3360: Our warrior, buffed by his amazing woodsman lv.2 ability (+75% in forest!) kills a wolf. Also, we meet Asoka, with whom I make peace. I cant ask her what she thinks of Peter, which I presume means they havent met. Asoka is to the west, which cant bode well for our expansion in that direction. But, well make do. I still think its a priority to grab the stone, but maybe not if it endangers our marble.
Mr. Spock tells me that polytheism is now in the bag. I tell him to set his phaser to Masonry. (Apparently the Vulcan live long and prosper hand sign thingy was taken by Mr. Nimoy from the Jewish tradition. I hope this is an omen!)
(17) 3320: Warrior kills another wolf. Timbuktu builds another warrior, and I switch them to build our first settler. I pass on the chance to get a worker, because wed need agriculture to do anything with him, and we wont have that until after we have Monotheism.
(18) 3280: Our woodsman warrior finds tundra to the north, indicating that were probably near the north end of the world. Not a terrible place to be, since theres room to expand up there.
(19) 3240: Woodsman Warrior finds a Russian warrior in the north, along with a hut to explore.
(20) 3200: Horses spotted in the north. The goodie hut provides us with a fairly worthless map, but it fills in some gaps for us.
(Warning: 10 turns remain!)
(21) 3160: Same old same old.
(22) 3120: Masonry comes in. We should make some enemies, and then theyll teach us to build high walls. (Man, I dont understand this new tips system at all.) 12 turns until were either Jewish, or we aint. If we get it, Ill be praised as a hero!
If we dont, Ill be condemned as incompetent. 
Being a ruler sure is tough. Our warrior finds bears in the NE. That doesnt bode well at all
(23) 3080: Our warrior is eaten by a bear. Three strength? I havent seen bears that scary since the beginning of Baldurs Gate 1!
(Yeah, if youve been there, you remember. Bears that could kill your whole party. Ah, to be level one again. But I digress
)
(24) 3040: Nothing eventful.
(25) 3000: Same.
(26) 2960: Woodsman Warrior finds another goodie hut, near Russian territory. Woodsman sure helps a heck of a lot in terms of exploring! This guy just cuts through forests like crazy.
(27) 2920: Looks like Asoka was the one to found Hinduism. How appropriate. She has apparently met Peter by now, and doesnt care one way or the other about him. I get the impression well be permanently in between these two.
(28) 2880: Nothing special.
(29) 2840: Woodsman Warrior find the bears. Hopefully, his bonuses will be enough to carry the day. If not, I just made a really stupid move, and well see how it goes.
(30) 2800: Woodsman Warrior (tm) wins!
(31): 2760: I hit the take turn, but havent done anything. The game will be handed over in this state, although theres nothing to do but wait.
Status Report: Monotheism is due in 3 turns, which means that if were behind, were not far behind. Hopefully, well have Judaism in the bag, and then all celebrate with some delicious deli foods and klezmer music. If not, thems the breaks.
Also due in 3 turns is our Settler. We can send him out with our existing warrior, then build another one in Timbuktu if we need to. Again, a worker is only valuable if you have a tech that lets you do something important with him, and at this stage, something important means food.
Our relations with the Indians and the Russians are totally neutral. We should get a scout (warrior or otherwise) out to the west to figure out how worried we have to be about Asoka. That may revise our priorities, but for now, the northeast is where we need to be, to cut Peter off from whats rightfully ours. So, before we move on, a little dotmapping ought to help in figuring out where to put our new settler. Somewhere by the floodplains to the north might be a good plan, but so might grabbing some of the resources to the northwest.
Methos: Youre up! Monumental decisions at hand here, bold new era, and whatnot.
Regoarrarr: On deck. Limber up, because we want this one to be good!
-Jester
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/RB2b_BC-2760.Civ4SavedGame
I'll be your host, Jester, and the Malinese the instrument of our limitless ambitions! So, folks, here we have it: the first thirty turns! Without futher ado, let us commence:
(1) 4000 BC: I start the game. We begin in a position thats nice in rivers, but poor in food. However, were next to some grain, and that helps. I found our city, Timbuktu, and the barbarian hut pops, giving us some maps. I set production to a warrior.
Time to weigh our situation: We have wheat, which is good. Were next to marble, which is *very* good. Sugar, gold and pigs are also visible. The gold is right next to some beautiful flood plains. We should consider some dotmaps for putting a nice specialist city up there. Also, were right next to the coast, which should be a high priority for putting down a city or two. Hopefully, well get fish, clams, crabs, n all that nice seafood.
For our first tech, I select mysticism. I doubt well be able to land either Hinduism or Buddhism, but I figure we might as well take a shot at getting Judaism. It is only noble, after all, and Id like to have a religion if we can make it. Agriculture has to wait until we have a worker anyways, so, to invoke Sirian, that which can wait, should wait! (Now watch as he completely disagrees with everything Ive said here.)
Mysticism due in 6 turns.
I move our warrior to the coast. No luck yet.
(2,3,4) 3960, 3920, 3880: Exploring to the northeast
(5) 3840 BC: Stone to the northeast! Marble plus stone = options.
(6) 3800 BC: Fish discovered to the NE. Theres a spot for a city that could get corn, stone and fish. Definitely a preferred site for our dotmapping. Plus, were apparently at the bottom of a peninsula. On the minus side, that means our capital is hogging all the space for potential cities. On the plus side, there are clams down south! Linguine alla Vongole for everyone!
(7) 3760 BC: We meet Peter, to the NE. Hopefully he doesnt steal our stone!
And, as luck would have it, Ive just discovered my first bug. I minimized the window (to add to this report you read right now), and upon my return to the game, the there will be peace in our time option is *under* the interface window! I cant click on it, and that just leaves one option, war. Since were not really interested in war, I start to fiddle. After some experimentation, I find the global view button solves my problem, although it goes back to being bugged after I zoom back in. Well, fodder for the patching process, I guess.
I make peace with Peter. Hopefully he wont hem us in, but expanding in his direction ought to be a priority for us.
Mysticism comes in, and I pick polytheism. Buddhism would be nice, but were almost sure to lose it, and it doesnt lead to Judaism in any case. Polytheism is safer, AFAIK.
(8) 3720 BC: I continue to follow the coast.
(9) 3680 BC: Nothing eventful
(10) 3640 BC: Buddhism is founded in a distant land. Told you so! Well, polytheism probably isnt a good bet then, but theres an outside chance theres only one spiritual player, in which case we might still get it. Time will tell I resume alas alas.
(Warning to self: 10 turns have expired. 30 turns remaining.)
(11) 3600: Timbuktu finishes its warrior. It grew a couple turns ago, and is now also working the sugar, for a nice balance of resources. I decide to build another warrior, and give our city time to grow to size 3. The game recommends a settler, but Im dubious about that.
I send the new warrior up to grab the goodie hut in the northwest, and finish scouting that area.
(12) 3560: Hinduism founded in a distant land. Great, a second opponent with spiritual. Just peachy. Well, we play the hand were dealt , and try to play for Judaism. If not, I just set us back by quite a few tech turns. At least well get masonry out of it.
(13) 3520: Found Peter in the east. We should be able to race him to the stone/corn/fish spot I hope. This is a priority, for sure.
(14) 3440: Goodie hut gets us experience (5) and finds us some lions! Hooray for lions!
(15) 3400: We kill the lions. Hooray for killing lions! I take both of our units promotions in woodsman, in order to speed up scouting.
(16) 3360: Our warrior, buffed by his amazing woodsman lv.2 ability (+75% in forest!) kills a wolf. Also, we meet Asoka, with whom I make peace. I cant ask her what she thinks of Peter, which I presume means they havent met. Asoka is to the west, which cant bode well for our expansion in that direction. But, well make do. I still think its a priority to grab the stone, but maybe not if it endangers our marble.
Mr. Spock tells me that polytheism is now in the bag. I tell him to set his phaser to Masonry. (Apparently the Vulcan live long and prosper hand sign thingy was taken by Mr. Nimoy from the Jewish tradition. I hope this is an omen!)
(17) 3320: Warrior kills another wolf. Timbuktu builds another warrior, and I switch them to build our first settler. I pass on the chance to get a worker, because wed need agriculture to do anything with him, and we wont have that until after we have Monotheism.
(18) 3280: Our woodsman warrior finds tundra to the north, indicating that were probably near the north end of the world. Not a terrible place to be, since theres room to expand up there.
(19) 3240: Woodsman Warrior finds a Russian warrior in the north, along with a hut to explore.
(20) 3200: Horses spotted in the north. The goodie hut provides us with a fairly worthless map, but it fills in some gaps for us.
(Warning: 10 turns remain!)
(21) 3160: Same old same old.
(22) 3120: Masonry comes in. We should make some enemies, and then theyll teach us to build high walls. (Man, I dont understand this new tips system at all.) 12 turns until were either Jewish, or we aint. If we get it, Ill be praised as a hero!
If we dont, Ill be condemned as incompetent. Being a ruler sure is tough. Our warrior finds bears in the NE. That doesnt bode well at all
(23) 3080: Our warrior is eaten by a bear. Three strength? I havent seen bears that scary since the beginning of Baldurs Gate 1!
(Yeah, if youve been there, you remember. Bears that could kill your whole party. Ah, to be level one again. But I digress
)(24) 3040: Nothing eventful.
(25) 3000: Same.
(26) 2960: Woodsman Warrior finds another goodie hut, near Russian territory. Woodsman sure helps a heck of a lot in terms of exploring! This guy just cuts through forests like crazy.
(27) 2920: Looks like Asoka was the one to found Hinduism. How appropriate. She has apparently met Peter by now, and doesnt care one way or the other about him. I get the impression well be permanently in between these two.
(28) 2880: Nothing special.
(29) 2840: Woodsman Warrior find the bears. Hopefully, his bonuses will be enough to carry the day. If not, I just made a really stupid move, and well see how it goes.
(30) 2800: Woodsman Warrior (tm) wins!
(31): 2760: I hit the take turn, but havent done anything. The game will be handed over in this state, although theres nothing to do but wait.
Status Report: Monotheism is due in 3 turns, which means that if were behind, were not far behind. Hopefully, well have Judaism in the bag, and then all celebrate with some delicious deli foods and klezmer music. If not, thems the breaks.
Also due in 3 turns is our Settler. We can send him out with our existing warrior, then build another one in Timbuktu if we need to. Again, a worker is only valuable if you have a tech that lets you do something important with him, and at this stage, something important means food.
Our relations with the Indians and the Russians are totally neutral. We should get a scout (warrior or otherwise) out to the west to figure out how worried we have to be about Asoka. That may revise our priorities, but for now, the northeast is where we need to be, to cut Peter off from whats rightfully ours. So, before we move on, a little dotmapping ought to help in figuring out where to put our new settler. Somewhere by the floodplains to the north might be a good plan, but so might grabbing some of the resources to the northwest.
Methos: Youre up! Monumental decisions at hand here, bold new era, and whatnot.
Regoarrarr: On deck. Limber up, because we want this one to be good!
-Jester
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/RB2b_BC-2760.Civ4SavedGame
Hey, everybody. Me again. I drew up a crude (VERY crude) dotmap in MSPaint.
Would you believe that, after playing Civ3 since it came out, and participating in countless SGs, Epics, and all around tomfoolery, this is my very first dotmap?
Scary, I know.
So, yeah. Here's where I think we should put our cities. Remember, Russians are to the east, coast is immediately to the south, and Indians lie somewhere to the west.
Red dot is the stone-fish-corn spot that I want to keep away from the Russians. High priority, but I don't want to waste turns taking it too fast. The Russians aren't *that* close.
Blue dot would go up like a rocket early on with all that flood plain, and it gets us gold.
Yellow dot is lower priority, but wastes the fewest tiles (IMO) between Timbuktu and the other two.
So, I say, we settle blue dot, since it will improve our settler/worker situation, and then grab red dot, then see either if there's somewhere worth settling quickly to the west, or we get yellow dot. It's in no danger of being poached, though, so I wouldn't prioritize it too much. No resources either.
-Jester
Would you believe that, after playing Civ3 since it came out, and participating in countless SGs, Epics, and all around tomfoolery, this is my very first dotmap?
Scary, I know.
So, yeah. Here's where I think we should put our cities. Remember, Russians are to the east, coast is immediately to the south, and Indians lie somewhere to the west.
Red dot is the stone-fish-corn spot that I want to keep away from the Russians. High priority, but I don't want to waste turns taking it too fast. The Russians aren't *that* close.
Blue dot would go up like a rocket early on with all that flood plain, and it gets us gold.
Yellow dot is lower priority, but wastes the fewest tiles (IMO) between Timbuktu and the other two.
So, I say, we settle blue dot, since it will improve our settler/worker situation, and then grab red dot, then see either if there's somewhere worth settling quickly to the west, or we get yellow dot. It's in no danger of being poached, though, so I wouldn't prioritize it too much. No resources either.
-Jester
regoarrarr
King
What do you think about blue dot 2 spaces north? It's a little looser but it gets that extra gold that we may otherwise not work, at a cost of 2 other spaces not worked that don't seem to be as valuable.
ETA - Also, if we get Judaism we should try and send a missionary to convert Peter, assuming he doesn't have another religion - try to get an ally
ETA - Also, if we get Judaism we should try and send a missionary to convert Peter, assuming he doesn't have another religion - try to get an ally
StarrySurprise
Chieftain
Red dot won't be very useful until we can get its culture to expand, and that is hard to do without a religion. I think we'd benefit more from blue dot in the long term because of the extra food that we can use to make workers and settlers. Settling on the river is also good, because "fresh water" adds health and I think flood plains reduce health.
StarrySurprise: Blue dot is the priority, I'd say. Red dot is just too far away to efficiently settle quite yet. And we can wait to see on red dot and the religion issue... we may be Jewish in a short while. 
regoarrar: I'll have to go back in to the game and rethink the blue dot. I'm fairly sure that my original suggestion is correct, seeing as those "two spaces not worked" are floodplains that give us tons of food. But it does somewhat depend on what's north and south of blue dot in the larger context.
-Jester
regoarrar: I'll have to go back in to the game and rethink the blue dot. I'm fairly sure that my original suggestion is correct, seeing as those "two spaces not worked" are floodplains that give us tons of food. But it does somewhat depend on what's north and south of blue dot in the larger context.
-Jester
Sullla
Patrician Roman Dictator
Looks like you guys are off to a strong start. Good luck!
PS Jester, Asoka is a man. Yeah... must be the long hair.
PS Jester, Asoka is a man. Yeah... must be the long hair.
2760 BC (0):
2640 BC (3): Judaism is founded. Timbuktu Settler>Warrior. Begin researching Agriculture. Warrior/Settler pair heads for blue dot..
2560 BC (5): Djenne founded, begins Warrior. Woodsman Warrior fully healed, continues scouting.
2480 BC (7): Timbuktu Warrior>Worker.
2440 BC (8): Agriculture>Hunting
2400 BC (9): Woodsman Warrior falls back into the forest, as there are lions about.
2320 BC (11): Hunting>Archer
IT: Lions die attacking Woody.
2160 BC (14): Archery>Pottery. Peter learns Bronze Working.
2080 BC (16): Timbuktu Worker>Barracks. Worker moves onto the Wheat and begins a Farm. Judaism spreads to Djenne.
1920 BC (20): Pottery>Bronze Working
-Not too for sure about going with Bronze Working. It would be nice as it shows Copper and allows Axemen (if we have either copper or iron). We could wait on Bronze Working and trade for it once we have Alphabet. Not sure if we want to wait.
-Im not for sure if our plan was to build another Settler immediately or wait a while. I suggest finishing the Barracks and letting Timbuktu grow some.
Heres the save
2640 BC (3): Judaism is founded. Timbuktu Settler>Warrior. Begin researching Agriculture. Warrior/Settler pair heads for blue dot..
2560 BC (5): Djenne founded, begins Warrior. Woodsman Warrior fully healed, continues scouting.
2480 BC (7): Timbuktu Warrior>Worker.
2440 BC (8): Agriculture>Hunting
2400 BC (9): Woodsman Warrior falls back into the forest, as there are lions about.
2320 BC (11): Hunting>Archer
IT: Lions die attacking Woody.
2160 BC (14): Archery>Pottery. Peter learns Bronze Working.
2080 BC (16): Timbuktu Worker>Barracks. Worker moves onto the Wheat and begins a Farm. Judaism spreads to Djenne.
1920 BC (20): Pottery>Bronze Working
-Not too for sure about going with Bronze Working. It would be nice as it shows Copper and allows Axemen (if we have either copper or iron). We could wait on Bronze Working and trade for it once we have Alphabet. Not sure if we want to wait.
-Im not for sure if our plan was to build another Settler immediately or wait a while. I suggest finishing the Barracks and letting Timbuktu grow some.
Heres the save
regoarrarr
King
i think i'm up so i got it - i'll play it here in an hour or two
