Realism Invictus

[TRAMPA]

HI guys!!!

Congratulations on excellent job on this mod which really revitilizes civilisation 4 game and gives it a whole new prospective!!!
Problem is this.... it crashes when fun starts....
Please find a way to fix that maf problem that really devastates such a perfect achievement.

(i got a relative strong pc with 1 gb dedicated vram -quad core - and 4 dd3 gb ram so the hardware is not the problem... as long as my saves reach 4 mb the game starts to crash and that hearts !!!)
i got 64 bit windows 7 as os ..... Please i beg you help us to finish our attaimpts .... its so unfair to play a game for weeks and suddenly all our effort ...puffffff!!!!

thanks in advance!!!!!

 

[civman110]

I haven't had a whole lot of time to play civ the last year or so, but have recently been getting back into it. I really like all of the new changes and small tweaks. Great job on the new leaderheads. They look great! The great works are absolutely fantastic. I'm not sure exactly what was done with cultural boarders, but culturally powerful cities no longer totally swamp everything around them which is nice. It's a good balance.

 

[xondrax]

hey autor, dont forget that horse husbandry is a milestone in agriculture - look how slow rise a population without strong animals to plow crop fields.

maybe some kind of buff? like workers make 25% - 50% faster improvements when they have acess to horses?

I would say, horses are powerfull enough in military direction. And if your civs uses pastoral nomadism they give nice hammers and food too. Also - cows and other animals can be used to crop fields too.
(btw game still unplayable for me, fast crashes after that new graphic svn update)

 

[Shoobs]

Discussing SVN version here.

Could you make the C2C revision an OPTIONAL revision? Like a setting in the play now/custom map list?
The C2C revision actually crashes the game for me and I have to forcibly remove the update every time I want to update the SVN version of the game.

 

[sjodster]

Discussing SVN version here.

Could you make the C2C revision an OPTIONAL revision? Like a setting in the play now/custom map list?
The C2C revision actually crashes the game for me and I have to forcibly remove the update every time I want to update the SVN version of the game.

It is now optional as of r4924.

 

[tchristensen]

Would anyone have any interest in a mod of this incredible mod that essentially opens up all the AI only civilizations? I love this hard mod but didn't like the idea that you could only play a handlful of the cultures. I went back through and opened up all to play and then mussed around with them to make them playable -- more than just being able to pick them, I have given those civs a unique way to play the game.

For example, The Bantu King is unable to make settlers but they start with 10 axemen. You can only conquer other nations to gain cities. The AI struggles with this, but they eventually will conquer barbarian, AI, and I dare say my cities on occasion.

American Indians also have a much slower path with penalties on spying and research, but have forces that do well in their respective terrain.

I lay no claim to anything in my mod, other than I have hacked wonderful XMLs. The original creators get all the glory for this great mod.

 

[zoob]

- The infoscreen over a salt resource shows that it requires Stonecutting, but in fact it is enabled now by Pottery with building the Salt Pit only.

- Skirmisher units dont have to require Woodworking, as previous must have tech Bronze Working already has Woodworking as a prerequisite.

I really enjoy current games playing large world map

 

[rkade8583]

I'm doing a let's play kind of thing with RI. I could use subscribers, tips, and constructive critique.


Link to video.

 

[[Y]]

Just upgraded to SVN a few days ago and have played a few games. And met a really frustrating feature/bug.

Should each open border grant +1 (or thereabouts) culture to a city? It's happened in several games I played (and I play with max civs, so 33 at the moments) and either my cities or another civ's cities got insane culture boosts from open borders. This has had a negative impact in both situations.

In one game I settled a city as a defensive bottle neck city... And within two turns it hit fledgling culture levels, and within a few more it hit the next stage, overwhelming another civ's borders, leading them to declare war on me and become a gamelong enemy. The city wasn't intended to as an offensive city, just a defensive one, but ended up sparking a war because of culture boosts.

And in a current game, one civ settled a city 4 tiles away form mine and is no overwhelming my city's borders... despite the fact that my city is also a holy city and has a few culture buildings.

Is this intended behavior, or a bug, or did I mess up a setting somewhere? It's been incredibly frustrating to play around.

 

[Drakarska]

I'm doing a let's play kind of thing with RI. I could use subscribers, tips, and constructive critique.


Link to video.

I'm getting a "video does not exist" error bro, check your link?

 

[rkade8583]

Sorry about that. Try now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMEGOzwIC0

That about scared the [blank] out of me. I thought it hadn't uploaded properly and I'd have to do another one.

 

[zoob]

- Greek Pagan Temple Temenos gives 1 to Egyptian Obelisk. Is this intended?
- Meditation requires Mysticism although previous tech Philosophy already requires it too

 

[Shoobs]

- Greek Pagan Temple Temenos gives 1 to Egyptian Obelisk. Is this intended?
- Meditation requires Mysticism although previous tech Philosophy already requires it too

Austronisian also works with obelisks, not monuments for some reason.

As an aside, I would be interested in looking at that modmod.

 

[[Y]]

Even with packing art assets, the SVN version of the game still takes 5+ minutes to load. Is that expected behavior?

 

[rkade8583]

It took me 10 minutes and crashed on the first turn. Might have been fixed in the last few weeks though.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Even with packing art assets, the SVN version of the game still takes 5+ minutes to load. Is that expected behavior?

it takes just 30s for me

 

[[Y]]

it takes just 30s for me

Yeah, when I was playing SVN a few years ago that's all the wait I had too. Weird. Maybe I just really need to defragment that badly.




Anyway... thought/suggestion for an ancient era world wonder:

Tel: Basically, representing the rebuilding (over time) of the city on top of itself, leading to it becoming a hill.

Bonuses could include the tile becoming a hill, +1 trade route, and +2 to Great Merchant.

Eh?

 

[sazhdapec]

You are forgetting an important factor - some terrains and improvements get additional bonuses from rivers. Overall, a city by a river is already a much better deal.

I disagree. While river tiles are definitely better one doesn't have to place a city near a river to gain the bonuses exept to build the aforementioned levee. I'll try to explain again. First the city near a river (or any source of fresh water) receives only a little bonus of 2 while fresh water in real life is crucial for a city to grow considerably. Second the city on a river doesn't receive any trade bonuses while I'm pretty sure in real life the riverside city would be much more favourable than the one at some distance.
There are however some problems as noted by cfeyyaz: AI does not prefer to build cities near rivers or oceans but it tries to cover more resources and what about fresh water sources that can't be shown due to the map scale. I don't know if it's possible to solve the first problem but I don't see how the second one is since fresh water shortage in the game doesn't deny the city growth: there are plenty of other health bonuses.

And some additional issues in 3.25 I'd like to discuss.

1) Why is it so frequent even possible when my spies are caught on CIV A territory when they are moving through CIV A to mess up with CIV B?

2) Is there a way to know which building is created by a ministry so I don't waste my sabotage building mission? (espoinage)

3) Holy places (the ones that receive for cities) are so very powerful. A little nerf plz?

4) Supercarrier promotion is not available to carriers.

5) How do bombers earn experience? Why not like artillery when bombing health points?

6) Why is it possible to upgrade 20 infantry to 24 semi-modern infantry when 28 mechanized infantry is available but it's not possible to upgrade 24 semi-modern infantry to 28 modern infantry when 32 IFV is available.

7) Is this model (shock troops) correct? Magazine all right? What gun is this?

Spoiler :

8) What is the purpose of gunboat ships? Can't imagine how I'd use them.

9) AI leaves a lot of cool units in the rear. For example, it would protect all cities (even the ones that are far away from the front) with 3 riflemen when fighting the main battle with outdated fusiliers. Can't it calculate that's not necessary?

10) AI civs have low income in the trade table. When I try to sell another civ the resource I can see that they would pay me more if they had more income.
So I thought that maybe it's a good idea to limit fund allocation to research/culture/espionage with civics like it was done in civ2-civ3.

11) Another idea to counter the everlasting expansion. A chain of very expensive buildings (or projects so they can't be hurried) that become available with techs and after completion give the city tile or . So instead of building expensive military or inefficient research/wealth/culture there is an option to improve the existing tiles rather than to conquer more tiles.

 

[civman110]

I finally had some time to complete an entire game with the latest SVN. Overall I thought the game was balanced really well. I also like the rebalancing on the slave revolts during the renaissance.

The civics have been cleverly grouped into religious, economic, labour, government, and legal. I really like this concept. I am really impressed with how you chose to represent the religious civics and incorporate cult of personality and what you did with Theocracy and Militancy. However, I have noticed some inconsistencies with the government and legal civics. I have a few issues, one of which is with Despotism and Dictatorship and also with the way Federalism and Representation are represented.

I always find myself using Despotism right up until when Federalism/Representation is available, but I always think at that point I should be switching to Dictatorship, not Representative Federalism since the needs of my empire hasn't changed. I'm still a large imperialistic, militant power, usually with a strict religious civic and a Dictatorship would be appear to be the more logical, sophisticated extension of that. Specifically a Federalist Dictatorship. I think that Federalism and Representation, should be represented a different way because the way the civics are at the moment allows some odd combinations and also a lack of some possible combinations for example:

You cannot have: A Federal Democracy, Dictatorship, Monarchy, Theocracy.
* These should be possibilities.

You can have: A Representative Dictatorship, Despot.
* These should not be possible.

Representation is not compatible with every government civic. It is only compatible with Monarchy, Republic, Democracy, Theocracy. Perhaps some new buildings could be created to represent it's effects, such as a "House of Commons" for a Monarchy and a "House of Representatives" for a Democracy, Republic, and Theocracy. Representation would not be compatible with several legal civics; Plutocracy, Feudal Aristocracy, and Rule of Fear.

I also think that the Legal Civics are quite good up until Social Justice. I think Social Justice could be absorbed into two separate civics. You have two competing systems of Social Justice - The Soviet-Style Collectivism system of social justice/equality based off of political expediency, with no actual legal protection to individuals and then you have the Western Supreme Court System of alienable rights and freedoms to individuals based off of the courts' rulings from interpreting their Constitutions, Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights etc. though an English Common Law system.

I suggest getting rid of Social Justice as a civic and creating some sort of court system. Perhaps "Common Law" which would originate quite early on, but would receive additional buildings such as a "Supreme Court" and aspects of Social Justice could find it's way there when "Common Law" is combined with the proper Government Civics. Common Law would be a good alternative to "Civil Service," which is "Civil Law." Civil Service could also receive a Supreme Court building. Most of the world still uses Civil Law today, not Common Law.

Supreme Court should not be able to be built with Common Law or Civil Service while running the following Government Civics because the Leader assumes judicial authority:

Despotism
Dictatorship
Theocracy

The only potential issue I see is that you could not run a Democratic or Republic Federalist Common Law, or Civic Law system, which is a bit problematic to me. For this reason I think it would be best to represent Federalism the same sort of why as I have suggested for Representation, but only allow it to be represented through the following Government Civics: Democracy, Republic, Dictatorship, and Theocracy by building a "Parliament" building. Federalism is actually more of a legal civic, because it's not a form of government it's a legal way to govern. Federalism is compatible with every government civic that's currently available, except Despotism - It would lack the legislation and bureaucracy necessary for a Federalist form of governance. Federalism would also be compatible with most legal civics.

If you have any additional thoughts, or some of these ideas peak your interest let me know. I'd like to discuss them a bit further and perhaps refine them a little more. If I have any new ideas I'll bring them up in a 2nd post.

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Another thing. Perhaps this is a difference in North American/European definitions, but to me you have named a Republic a Democracy and a Democracy a Republic. The major difference between the two is that a Republic has a Constitution and often a Bill or Rights, or Charter of Rights that grants unalienable rights to individuals that the government cannot revoke. A Democracy does not do this. Ancient Greece was a pure Democracy where the majority ruled, but there was no protection of unalienable rights to individuals. With the will of the majority anything could be possible legally. With a Republic many things are off limits unless you amend the Constitution, which is nearly impossible.

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It would be nice when browsing civics if you listed under each option not only it's base effects, but it's additional effects when it's related buildings are built, so people playing the game can make a more informed decision of what civic to choose instead of having to refer to the Sevopedia and look up all of these buildings, for example:

Despotism
-Base effects

Enlightened Absolutism
- what other civic is required
- building effects

Mandate of Heaven
- what other civic is required
- building effects

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Two other small things: Armenian Gruz infantry (part of the man-at-arms upgrade tree) cannot be upgraded to a handgunner, or even a fusilier. I only had a chance to play as these guys, so I can't speak for other civs. I could see the reason to not upgrade them to a handgunner, since a mixture of gunpowder and melee units were still pretty conventional during certain time periods, but surely you should be able to upgrade them to a fusilier.

I understand why bronze working is required before you can switch to Despotism. It makes sense, however I find on higher difficulties this limits you to 1 or 2 cities for quite a long time early on. That makes it a bit of a grind for awhile. I don't oppose bronze working as a requirement. I agree with that. I would just like to be able to build another city, or a larger army before that point.

 

[[Y]]

Civopedia misinformation: The history of Fekete Sereg says it starts with "Mercenary" and "Drill I", but it starts with "Mercenary" and "Leadership".