Realism Invictus

I played the last svn verison (**69, must be 4969) and realizeed the changes to government civic. I must say that I did not like the new system providing happiness through military present in the city. It is an old idea in almost all Civ series and I must say I did not like it back than. The system just make happiness too easy.
 
I noticed that the Electric Substation requires an area of min 8 tiles to be built. (Had to look at the code to find out, it was driving me crazy why a city of mine couldn't have it.) It seems both right and not right at the same time. Smaller islands being cut off from the power grid makes sense... except that tile 7 island is the size of half Britain, and if a city has the resources to build a coal plant, and provide electricity for hospitals and cinemas etc. surely it can also light up the streets and provide electricity for homes as well? (Assuming the happy face substation provides means just this.)

Another thing: It's possible to build pharmaceutical companies (long before) you have discovered Pharmaceuticals.

sazhdapec said:
4) AI workers build a 'road' first then the improvement. I think that in most situations it is better to do the other way, is it not? If it is will this behaviour be revised?
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If I had to guess, I'd say this is vanilla Civ behavior, and maybe intended to help the workers get away from barbs and enemy units more easily? The AI is notoriously stupid at this already.
5) How does Pacification's special feature work? I've never got that 25 exp points.
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It means that the normal cutoff point for amount of expertise your unit can get from barbs, which is 25, is extended to 50. And then up to 100 with Pacification II and III.
 
Drakarska said:
Concerning Norton: I use Norton as well, and sometimes it can be a royal PITA where CFC is concerned. What you need to do is go into your advanced settings, and set your exceptions to allow CFC. Once done, you shouldn't have any more issues.
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Thanks! I'll do that.
 
The addition of craftsmen seems to have screwed up the domestic adviser screen. The "Specialists" field on the Domestic advisor screen displays the icon of the specialist who appears one spot above the actual specialist. (ie. Engineers get reported as Spies, Merchants get reported as engineers, Scientists get reported as merchants, etc...)
 
Guys:

I've just downloaded 3.3 and found a very weird problem with Tribal Forts - they are easily crushed but only if owned by Barbarians!

See for yourself.

Start a game on the Huge map as Eqypt, open World Builder and go to Asia and find a Siberian City with a Tribal Fort (delete a second one if it's there) and create a stack next to it with a bowman (3-1), Scout (1-2) and two Militia (4-1). Find a nearby Barbarian city with at least one Tribal Fort and build the same army next to it.

Close Worldbuilder and check your battle odds for attacking.

Against the Siberians, your odds will be <0.1%

Against the Barbarians, the Militia will have about a 75% chance of winning.

What's going on?

Also, the Barbarian "player" appears to be investing 100% of his economy into Gold, and nothing into tech, so that by 2000 BC everyone else has Archers and Militia and he still only has Savages.

Is this just happening to me?

Alternately, do I have a bad DL of 3.3 and there's a 3.31 I should get instead?

Thanks for the work folks - this remains the longest lived game on my PC and your mod is why I keep coming back to it.
 
coinflip said:
Guys:
Start a game on the Huge map as Eqypt, open World Builder and go to Asia and find a Siberian City with a Tribal Fort (delete a second one if it's there) and create a stack next to it with a bowman (3-1), Scout (1-2) and two Militia (4-1). Find a nearby Barbarian city with at least one Tribal Fort and build the same army next to it.

Close Worldbuilder and check your battle odds for attacking.

Against the Siberians, your odds will be <0.1%

Against the Barbarians, the Militia will have about a 75% chance of winning.

What's going on?
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You win your fist combat round against barbarians, (unless their first strike damage kills you.) Hence the 75% chance. That is, the first time in the game you're up against a barb unit, no matter the situation, you're almost guaranteed to win. On the world map this is a great way to nab an early barb city. (The AI ends up doing it also.)
 
> You win your fist combat round against barbarians,

Ooo, I missed that in the fine print.

I don't like that change. Or, if it is required, then Barb cities should start with a minimum of 2 Tribal Forts. Not being able to expand quickly into/because of Barbarian Cities was one of the critical features of the mod I liked, keeping rapacious AIs in check for a few hundred turns.
 
I'd rather see tribal forts gone and have something else limit expansion (though not sure what). It's exasperating to see the AI waste tons of resources in hopeless attempts to attack them.
 
Just finished a game on svn 4969. Magna Carta giving a free draft in each city upon any declaration of war is just too overpowered and I did not even try to cheat and declare "false" wars just to have the free units. Late in the game, I declared against england who had 2 vassals, that gave me 3 units per city, and in all cities including those at the front line where fresh troops are needed! I think it should be reduced to a max of one draft only (upon the first declaration after building the wonder for example)
 
Shuikkanen said:
It's not a change. I think it goes all the way back to vanilla civ. It's just mostly your first combat is against an animal, or an easy-to-defeat -unit so you don't notice.
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Wow, I can't believe I've been playing this game -- and this mod -- for years and never caught that.

So in this case, there are some Civs that start the Huge scenario unmolested by wandering wolves, and they can conquer a Barb City early. Hmmm... that doesn't feel right. Never saw it happen in earlier revs.

Now I've played into 1200 BC and I'm seeing smallish armies of 5 or 6 units taking out Barb Cities with one or two Tribal forts. I still see my odds against them in the low 1% range with comparable troops.

Something is off somewhere.
 
coinflip said:
Now I've played into 1200 BC and I'm seeing smallish armies of 5 or 6 units taking out Barb Cities with one or two Tribal forts. I still see my odds against them in the low 1% range with comparable troops.
Something is off somewhere.
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Well, you don't see the odds for the stack winning. Just the odds for the first guy winning. And the first guy doesn't need to win, just to deal some, any, even minimal damage. From that the next guy has a better chance of dealing more. And then the third guy has a 50-50 chance of actually defeating the fort. Of course, sometimes the RNG hates you and you waste a stack of 6 swordsmen and don't make a dent.

Against two forts. I dunno, a small stack could maybe still have an overall 10-30% chance of winning? You'd definitely see it happening every once in a while.
 
Awesome! A bit late to the party, but you guys are FANTASTIC with keeping this mod alive. Hard to believe you're making a 2005 game playable and modern all the way into 2016!
 
I've only been playing the World Map scenario, so I don't know if this error carries over to the freeplay or Crusades, but no matter which civ I play with, eventually, when I load the latest save game, the game crashes to desktop. Sometimes I can manage to re-start Civ and successfully reload, but sometimes, more often than not, I cannot reload - the game will just CtD. So far this has happened 100% of the time when playing a World Map scenario. I had an older version of RI before, and this did not happen.
 
I have the same issues with large world map. It did not happen in previous versions that I played frequently.
Now I get CTD once the file size is > 2MB
 
Can't build any Modern Infantry as Germany. The only military land options are marder, bazooka and SAM, panzerhaubitze, leopard and kommando. I've reached Future tech. With the crippling unit costs for each of them, I can't protect my cities with any more than 1 modern unit and several WW2 relics.

Bug?
 
arzac93 said:
Can't build any Modern Infantry as Germany. The only military land options are marder, bazooka and SAM, panzerhaubitze, leopard and kommando. I've reached Future tech. With the crippling unit costs for each of them, I can't protect my cities with any more than 1 modern unit and several WW2 relics.

Bug?
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I messed around a bit with WorldBuilder to try and replicate your situation. First, taking a look at resources -- Marder IFV requires fuel, steel and rockets and missiles, so you obviously have those. Since you can't build the modern version of Leopard tank, you must be missing microchips? Tricky to get since they require gold. If you get a great artist, build MineCraft, if it's still available. That grants you 2 microchips.

As for why you can't build Modern Infantry, I think it's an unfortunate side effect of how the game handles the upgrade chain. Modern infantry can be updated to IFV, so since you now have access to IFV, you can't build modern infantry anymore. The cost increase for each existing unit makes the problem worse.

You could try and squirm yourself out of it by neutralizing rockets and missiles. Trade away all those you have, or pillage your aluminum mines to disable the rocket assembly plant(s). After that you can't build IFVs anymore, thus allowing you to build modern infantry.

That the strongest land unit in the game requires gold has tripped my late game up a few times, too. You need to make an aggressive grab on it during industrial ages at the latest or make sure to save up a Great Artist.
 
SavioursSamurai said:
I've only been playing the World Map scenario, so I don't know if this error carries over to the freeplay or Crusades, but no matter which civ I play with, eventually, when I load the latest save game, the game crashes to desktop. Sometimes I can manage to re-start Civ and successfully reload, but sometimes, more often than not, I cannot reload - the game will just CtD. So far this has happened 100% of the time when playing a World Map scenario. I had an older version of RI before, and this did not happen.
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Same issue on the EarthEvo3 map. Can't reload latest save game.

Similar issues with the huge WM scenario. Ironically, I haven't had any issues playing England on WM, but when I play Japan, I can't get the save to load.
I don't use the SVN, so these are from the latest 3.3 release. I'm going to reinstall and see what happens.
 
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