Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Sonereal]

I'm not talking about a foolish offensive here, citizen. I'm talking about a guerrilla conflict until Rome ha to call it quits or until we can rebound.

Rome has a superior army, both in quality, technology, and numbers. They have the production capability and mainland presence to recover their losses easily. Our forces in the field are unable to mass without Roman catapults slamming our positions and taking a good chunk of our forces.

A guerrilla warfare to slow down Rome and for us to call it quits as soon as they allow it? Sure. But any attempt at demanding reparations will be laughed at.

 

[MathNerd]

I'm doubtful that any member of the opposition has done this, or at least I really hope nobody from the opposition has done this. Like I said, nobody has PMed me about this. Come to think of it, Arya hasn't replied to this. Could he have a fresh insight?

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Ahh . . . I love Ravus posts . . . .

I'm not sure if the post amuses me or worries me the vaugeness doesn't help.

@Detective Inspector MathNerd
I'm a suspect? i suppose you could argue that i'm the only other person known to have a history of performing an action. But i also have a history of not hiding my actions.

Cull is an opposition member? Wasn't he with the Neutral Monks during Arya's term?

You seem to be going from the asumption that only the leaders can perform actions... is the case? i don't think i've ever actually seen that rule written down anywhere...

Hmm, you make some interesting points. Here are my thoughts on them:

1) If this is the case, the person should be locked up for being a loony!
2) Possible, although the situation is already so bad, this just seems like overkill!
3) Also possible. But they picked a really, really bad time and method for carrying out revenge.

I do think that this aids Rome, though, in that anything that hurts England's ability to fight helps Rome. Since I haven't seen a city screen of London in forever, I'm not sure how much we were relying on the Fish to feed the city, though considering they provide 5-6 food, it's pretty significant. And considering that we may have to use the whip heavily to defend ourselves, losing the food required to regrow the city is a major detriment.

1) it is a tad loony, although if they were truely loony why only our fishing boats? Why not something bigger like a military unit or hell... if you were really crazy you could attept to knock over Stonehenge (anyone trying this will cause me to snap and go evil. I mean it. I'll take over.)
2) I agree, but from what i've read we're both logical people. A persons internal reasons only need to make sense to themselves and not everyones thoughts make logical sense.
3) Now i'm thinking it this seems less likely (i hope) as surely a Arya hater would target something important to him or his administration. boats again seems... mild.

We didn't have a lighthouse from recolection so not insanly bad luck. But London IS the only fully functioning city so it's still horrible. Scotland is only JUST coming online although i don't know wether we ever got a barracks there like i hoped.

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Also why pay money for a inquest? We have Detective Mathnerd on the case!

 

[Lighthearter]

A guerrilla warfare to slow down Rome and for us to call it quits as soon as they allow it? Sure. But any attempt at demanding reparations will be laughed at.

Afghanistan(1980s against the USSR). Interesting. Or is it more Vietcong/French Resistance? Or even Revolutionary War?

EDIT:

I'm not sure if the post amuses me or worries me the vaugeness doesn't help.

I'm just saying that your posts are always well thought out and make me nod sagely when I see them. [Yoda]Quite a boon to this game, you are.[/Yoda]

- Lighthearter

 

[MathNerd]

Yeah, only leaders can perform Sabotage. It's written on the first page, with the description of sabotage.

And Detective LH is a lot more likely to determine the suspect than Detective MN. Partially because Detective LH knows who the suspect is.

And true, Ravus, you have never hidden your actions. AFAIK.

 

[Sonereal]

Afghanistan(1980s against the USSR). Interesting. Or is it more Vietcong/French Resistance? Or even Revolutionary War?

- Lighthearter

Afghanistan had militias trained and armed by the CIA. The Vietcong were clearly supported by the USSR. The Revolutionaries were supported by the French. Without the win at Saratoga, the American Revolution would've sputtered and died as more and more men were deserting the armies.

We have no outside help. We are not being funded or armed.

@MathNerd

You sure seem to be trying to imply that Ayra was up to it somehow.

 

[JoeMacUnGee]

A guerrilla warfare to slow down Rome and for us to call it quits as soon as they allow it? Sure. But any attempt at demanding reparations will be laughed at.

Yes, that is what I speak of. Our "reparations" will come in the form of a crusade that will bring them into the Christian fold and burn down the centers of their wicked iniquities (i.e. Rome) at some future date.

 

[Sonereal]

Yes, that is what I speak of. Our "reparations" will come in the form of a crusade that will bring them into the Christian fold and burn down the centers of their wicked iniquities (i.e. Rome) at some future date.

Yes! We will get our chance but for now, we must peace ASAP and rebuild. You speak well.

England will have its revenge.

 

[Lighthearter]

Yeah, only leaders can perform Sabotage. It's written on the first page, with the description of sabotage.

Huh????

Oh. I see. You're right, I messed that one up. Fixed. Anyone can do sabotage.

- Lighthearter

 

[JoeMacUnGee]

We have no outside help. We are not being funded or armed.

But, citizen, we have allies. If we tie down the Romans long enough, they may be able to inflict enough damage elsewhere to make peace on reasoable terms a possibility.

 

[mechaerik]

I agree with whosit! We must launch a serious inquiry into the perpetrator of this treasonous act. I will also donate some funds for whosit's inquiry (launched by lighthearter; no one else can be trusted).

 

[MathNerd]

Well, if Arya did it, that means that he intends to make life harder for the next person in power. That would be a variation on number 3.

Therefore, the person who most dislikes the person most expected to win is likely... which does lead to Arya, since ATM Aegis is doing well. However, I will not come to any premature conclusions.

 

[Whosit]

I'm not talking about a foolish offensive here, citizen. I'm talking about a guerrilla conflict until Rome ha to call it quits or until we can rebound.

Possible, but I imagine we don't have a lot at our disposal, either. Again, Lighthearter, we need some fresh screen shots. Are you planning to produce those?

Our best bet to defend Iberia, assuming that Ravus-York falls (I pray to god that it is not razed, because once a holy city is lost, it cannot be recovered), is to post Guerrilla promoted Archers (+20% hill defense) at these points. Red location should get preference, because it is the most likely avenue of approach. We'll need our Workers to construct more roads to facilitate the movement of our troops. Again, updated screen shots will be necessary.

On the hills, with the Promotion, but assuming no time for Fortifications, the Archers will be effectively 5.1 strength units. Each turn of fortification (5%, up to a max of 25%) adds .15 strength, to a max of .75 (or 5.85 total). Catapults and Praetorians will still wipe the floor with them, though. However, one thing to consider is how the enemy army is promoted. Lighthearter, that information is also relevant. Posting the Archers in Kent itself gives them greater defense, but if Rome has promoted its troops with the City Raider promotions, it may be better to meet them in the field.

 

[Lighthearter]

Again, Lighthearter, we need some fresh screen shots. Are you planning to produce those?

Ahh . . . .

I'll be right back . . . .

What did we need again?

- Lighthearter

 

[Sonereal]

But, citizen, we have allies. If we tie down the Romans long enough, they may be able to inflict enough damage elsewhere to make peace on reasoable terms a possibility.

Yes, we do have allies but there's a catch.

Rome has an army with siege weapons. Unless we're able to smash the Roman Army before it crosses the Pyrenes, we will not get a favorable peace. Russia sounds like its losing its own war. The Vikings do give me hope however.

Still, unless we get several archers or swordsmen to guard the Pyrenees, we're not going to hold out and even then, catapults.

 

[JoeMacUnGee]

Possible, but I imagine we don't have a lot at our disposal, either. Again, Lighthearter, we need some fresh screen shots. Are you planning to produce those?

Our best bet to defend Iberia, assuming that Ravus-York falls (I pray to god that it is not razed, because once a holy city is lost, it cannot be recovered), is to post Guerrilla promoted Archers (+20% hill defense) at these points. Red location should get preference, because it is the most likely avenue of approach. We'll need our Workers to construct more roads to facilitate the movement of our troops. Again, updated screen shots will be necessary.

On the hills, with the Promotion, but assuming no time for Fortifications, the Archers will be effectively 5.1 strength units. Each turn of fortification (5%, up to a max of 25%) adds .15 strength, to a max of .75 (or 5.85 total). Catapults and Praetorians will still wipe the floor with them, though. However, one thing to consider is how the enemy army is promoted. Lighthearter, that information is also relevant. Posting the Archers in Kent itself gives them greater defense, but if Rome has promoted its troops with the City Raider promotions, it may be better to meet them in the field.

THAT is our military situation in Iberia?!?! Criminal neglect in the face of God's ordinance! We need to evacuate York, and fortify those two gaps with whipped archers or any other forces available. May thos who neglected the defense of the righteous burn in eternal hellfire!

 

[Sonereal]

Well, if Arya did it, that means that he intends to make life harder for the next person in power. That would be a variation on number 3.

Therefore, the person who most dislikes the person most expected to win is likely... which does lead to Arya, since ATM Aegis is doing well. However, I will not come to any premature conclusions.

Or somebody else could've done it, knowing all fingers would point to Ayra since he would have seemingly. After all, if Ayra is found responsible or even thought to be responsible, then there's little chance his coalition could survive the public outcry and massive Opposition Power that would be gained.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Having just re-looked at the map i find it suspicious how far below us Rome is in the scoreboard... Can't say for certain as i can't see the power graph but i have a feeling if we can weather the first rush we will survive. Between his low score (hopefully low production capabilities) and the other two war buddies he shouldn't send another army after the first.

Now that Ragnar and Peter declared do you think we could get Hannabal or the Irish to decalre? People are more likely to decalre when it's a dogpile. Everyone wants to join in.

EDIT: This suddenly feels like a game of mafia...

Pictures needed (if possible):
Map of Germany/Rome (For planning)
Power Graph (For seeing our comparative strength)
The army outside Ravus-York (To Cry over)
Diplomatic screens (tech trades. Also who might be willing to declare war on Rome for a price.)
The Time for another Great prophet (actually just need verbal confirmation of this it would solve money issues)

 

[Sonereal]

Now that Ragnar and Peter declared do you think we could get Hannabal or the Irish to decalre? People are more likely to decalre when it's a dogpile. Everyone wants to join in.

Screw the Irish but Carthage....

If we can get Carthage to declare war on Rome, then England can walk away safely and Rome will be forced to try to close down a front. We could possibly demand construction from him if the push is big enough.

 

[Sonereal]

THAT is our military situation in Iberia?!?! Criminal neglect in the face of God's ordinance! We need to evacuate York, and fortify those two gaps with whipped archers or any other forces available. May thos who neglected the defense of the righteous burn in eternal hellfire!

Umm, one of the guys responsible is in your party.