Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

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Its a game. MN and me can argue on games for days, but we're still friends even if I double-moved his capital. Its a game.

@Iron Mine Debacle: if dez big flame thingy was gone, me and you an' evebody else culd play in the shiny, shiny, shiny iron. iron mine is bad.

For real though, sorry about that. I don't think it was destroyed in game though. Didn't really think that one through. :weed:
 
'Tis still treason, though...
 
This plan takes into account that you will provide an update halfway through our term, preferably at turn 115.

I will start off with a diplomatic policy:
We are to attempt to open borders with the vikings, india and carthage if possible. These 3 nations are the ones we will try to befriend in the future.

In the technology area, we will trade the irish mongols writing for the tech of IW If they refuse, then we will trade to rome for IW. Then we will research(after mathematics is finished), in order meditation-polytheism-priesthood-montheism-Bulb theology-metal casting-construction

In the area of civics, we should switch to slavery immediatly. It will be a combination of (IC) illegal immigrants from the oppressive russia earning citizenship, and of the worst criminals working to get out of jail early.

Build areas-

In london, we need to whip the library as soon as possible to get rid of the angry citizen, and to start on other things. Whosit has this idea of a 'max overflow' when whipping a city. Not sure if you know what that means. But from what i can gather, on a 90 hammer project, once we have completed 59 of them, whip the library so that 2 citizens are whipped and 29 hammers go into the next project. If this is too complicated, skip it. But we NEED to whip 2 POP from london at once, to reach the happy limit there. No more, no less. Once you get to POP 7 there again, click on avoid growth.
Once the library is done, a galley should be built there. After that, a worker, then by then axemen should be able to, and should be, built. If they arent, build archers until we can switch to axes.

The workers in south england should finish their current jobs, then load onto the galley coming back from iberia to be shipped to spain. They will then build a mine on the copper and a road to connect it. A quarry and road on the marble is next, and a fam on the grassland with no trees near birmingham. Once that is done, 1 of the workers will head south to improve CN.

The worker in ravus-york will pasture the pigs, build a road from there to ravus, then cut down a forest and build a farm there.

Ravus york should finish the archer, build 3 settlers, 3 archers, and another settler-archer combo. Whip the city to finish them faster, but no further than 4 POP, and space out the whips so the city doesnt get too unhappy. A granary should also be built eventually.

Birmingham should spam archers and cancel the worker as well as CN until bronze is connected to them. Then birmingham spams axes, and CN spams spears. Once either one of them gets to 3 POP, whip them to hurry the units.

Liverpool- Finish the camp. Then build a mine on the other hill. Cut down some forests. Finish the archer, build a granary-galley-archer-galley. Whip for 1 POP once it gets to POP 4. 2 if you have to.

The settlers from Ravus york are very important. The first 1 will settle on the northern mouth of the river in northeast spain. The second will either settle on the north side of the river morth in the low countries (it looks like either the rhine or meuse. it points towards where norwhich is in real life), or the peninsula just south of the river that looks like calais. I would like to let you choose that one. The third though, will settle in germany (taking into effect that rome doesnt put a city there again) on the hill 1 tile west of the horses there. The fourth will go to spain, on the tile 1 east of the wheat.

Also i wish to lower the research slider to 70% and put gold to 30% to stop running a deficit. The new cities that we are settling should be outfitted with the archers from ravus york that will be built, and any spare archers from other cities. Their first builds will be archers, and they will build a granary second, then spam archers, with an occasional whip if they reach POP 3.

I hope this is satisfactory to you. If it is too in depth, just do the general gist of it. I reserve the right to reserve these plans in response to the situation after the first update. A favor if you will, end the update after either 15 turns, or when the first enemy land unit if spotted. Whichever comes first. Thank you.

President Arya(armitage didnt catch on)
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This was the first plan that i sent to LH. It was for the first 15 turns. Will post the one for the second turnset soon, although keep in mind that we only got 4 turns into it before the war and i will also post the war plan i sent.
 
On the Sabotage
Well that saved us the much needed Gold. Cull this isn't because i called you a nice and helpful opposition leader in the history books is it? :p just never got this all out of your system huh?

Just to be absolutly clear it was you who performed the fish boats as well yes? You arn't just jumping on the bandwagon so to speak.

To those worrying, even if the Iron was destroyed we actually still have the Copper as well so it just stops swordsman production. We also still have a worker in London to rebuild quickly.

So... no big speeches you want to give Cull? You know it's only a matter of time before some patriotic zealot asks about punishment options for a publically revealed sabotour.

On Voting
Arya voting by bribery is still voting. Just like the army of lurker votes that Cull organised originally counted. You might find problems with it ethically but it is within the letter of the Realpolitik Law. Of course... in the past lurker members in a leader administration end up raising the opposition level... :p

On Enemies vs. Competition
Well thats a worrying statement. The more you call people your enemy the more they will act like it eventually. Arn't you just intentionaly creating your own extremist competition? Treating a rival with such open words like "enemy" makes it seem less likely that you would be willing to listen to any advice or critiscism comeing from your opposiing number.

If you kept it up and things degenerated then i suspect the kiddy opposition gloves would come of against whoever won...
 
It's....CULL?! Whoa. That was...unexpected, to say the least. Really Cull, you dare to sabotage England during WARTIME?! That, my friend, is treason. Pure and simple.

dez be coming from you people who found ravus surronded by dead holy men, and gave him, bless his heart, a medal. really?!?
 
On the Sabotage
Well that saved us the much needed Gold. Cull this isn't because i called you a nice and helpful opposition leader in the history books is it? :p just never got this all out of your system huh?

Just to be absolutly clear it was you who performed the fish boats as well yes? You arn't just jumping on the bandwagon so to speak.

To those worrying, even if the Iron was destroyed we actually still have the Copper as well so it just stops swordsman production. We also still have a worker in London to rebuild quickly.

So... no big speeches you want to give Cull? You know it's only a matter of time before some patriotic zealot asks about punishment options for a publically revealed sabotour.

Yeah, calling me a NICE opposistion leader makes me want to :mad:. Did I sabotage the fishes? If you think so, sure. Why not? I also can run 5 million miles an hour.
 
Actually Cull, we never gave him a medal, and i was the only one that didnt want to punish him. Im the only one that has the foresight here that can see past the deed and to its intention. Which is why you are off the hook after the duel. The pain i will inflict upon you will be enough punishment.

Second turnset plan:

Financially we do binary research. This (as Whosit tells me) lets us do 7 turns at 100% gold, then 10 at 100% research. That will get us through our 15 turns researching metal casting so there is no need to worry about Teching in this plan. A new one can be drafted by the new president should our coalition be re-elected.

Build plans vary by city. In london, we should finsih the swordsmen, build a temple, and build a galley, then another 2 swordsmen. Whip if it reaches 8 POP.

In Ravus york, it gets tricky. If we listen to whosit we will need at least one more settler from here, maybe 2. I will plan as if we need one settler. The builds will go worker-settler-worker-temple-worker-monastary-worker-missionary. Whip if it reaches the happy limit.

The cities in iberia should focus on military and infra. Both should finish whatever they are working on, and start on a granary. If they finish it in our adminstartion, either start on an archer, or an axeman. Whip if they reach 6 POP (unlikely), and on the granary if they reach 4 POP. BUT ONLY WHIP IT FOR 2 POP MAX. Use max overflow if possible.

Nottingham should switch to a granary. Whip for 2 POP and max overfolw if it reaches 4 POP in the turnset.

Liverpool is a mystery. I dont know what it started after the archer. I dont know if it has a granary. If it has a granary, then it should build spearmen-axemen-worker-galley. Whip if reaches the happy limit.

Diplomacy is hard. OB should be pursued with everyone. Egypt and shaka should be pursued as friends. try some trades if they seem fair enough and we have either no use for the resource at the moment, or have 2 or more.

I also want to send a galley and a unit to scandinavia to find out what we can. We dont know its resources. We dont know the vikings borders. We dont know the landscape. We need to find oout if we can spare the units. Send the first galley that we build from london to do it. If we have a psare swordsmen, send it with it to scout the land itself.

The current settler will settle in bewteen the sliver and gold on the forested hill. The second settler that we plan to produce from Ravus, shall go on the hill directly east of the mountain in eastern spain. It will have access to both fish and clams. Both will start on a granary-archer build.

Workers will be divided bewteen iberia, frnace, and the low countries. Iberia will focus on the important resources. Then it will shift to mines. France will have a ficus on cottages with a farem here and there. (as an explantion to cutting down a forest in france, since i know Whosit mentioned it earlier and i didnt respond to it, i thought it would help speed along production. In my games i always cut down forests right away, or as soon as i can afford to, to get the boosts to productions. watermills can replace them later in the game for constant production, and hills are normally better. IF WE CAN SPARE A WORKER, BUILD A RAOD TO RAVUS-YORK FROM THE SPANISH CITIES.

We will burn Chinook. But instead of using the archer, keep it posted there watching the city. When the first swordsmen from london is ready, ship it down to chinook. Then take it with good enough odds. If they are still bad odds, wait for a second swordsmen.


I think thats it. Ask if you dont understand something. Otherwise, thank you for not giving me another crisis. We have had 55 pages of me i think(about anyway). I want a chnage. A crisis would prolonge it.
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And the war plan as the last plan of action i sent to Lighthearter.

Ravus, feel free to use tidbits in these, or the entire things, in your history book to explain actions, or whatever you want to do with them. Just dont use anything out of context. if you include something, use the rest of the stuff under that numbered section at the very least.

1. Build granaries in all cities that dont have one. Whip it out ASAP. Whip cities down to a MAX of 2 POP, preferbaly no lower than 3POP.

2. All cities on the continent, are to build ONE archer, after the granary if they need one, then work on their specialized builds. In CN, after the archer it will build Spears. In Birmingham, axes will be built continually. Nottingham will not need firther orders, although if it finishes both the archer and the granary it shoudl work on axes. Ravus should build archer-axe-archer-chariot(if we get HBR)-axe, and whip out the first archer ASAP.

3. Construction should be traded for right away. If nobody has it besides rome, then switch the research to it. Finish metal casting after we get it. Once we get construction, switch CN to Cats. If horseback riding is available for trade, trade for it as well. If it is traded for then after the current builds in Ravus switch to horse archers.

4. London should build 4 swords, then a galley(triremem if we have metal casting. If we dont, build a trireme ASAP when we get MC), then 3 cats. Liverpool should build 2 swords, 4 axes, and 2 cats. They should be shipped to Ravus-York. Once this is completed, Liverpool should build in a pattern of axemen-sworsdmen-cat, and london should build gaklleys and triremes. Tha total amount of troops for the offensive will be 6 swords, 4 axes, 5 cats, and whatever other assorted offensive troops we have on the continent at that time. Once antium is taken, wait for reinforcements to replace any losses and increase the force, then march on rome.

5. The galley in the channel should deliver the axemen and swordsmen to nottingham IMMEDIATLY. Then bring the 2 archers in dover to nottingham as well. all should fortify there as there are no improvements in danger. Once it finishes with those archers, it should bring the archers from the 2 cities on the british isles to Ravus-York to assist in the defense. The galley along the norway coast should load the axemen there and bring it to denmark. The axemen will unload and pillage everything it can. Scout out the cities if possible. Aim to pillage the resources like iron so as to delay further production of powerful units like Praets. Once the galley is done, send it to the eastern Iberian coast to watch for roman naval vessels. The galley from the channel should keep ferrying troops made in the british isles to Ravus york in prepariton for the counterattack.

6. The archer in the city ruins of Chinook should head ONE tile northeast of where it is, and fortify to block the path into Iberia. The archer in Birmingham should go to Ravus-York ASAP. If roman units are in the way, let it fortify in the forest northeast of the gold. The archer from CN should fortify in the forest northeast of the gold no matter what.

7. All workers in danger of capture should retreat to a nearby city(mainly Ravus-York).

8. The warrior in normandie should head to ravus-York to be upgraded to an axemen. If the lone roman cat is still nearby once upgraded, and if there are good battle odds, send the axemen to attack it.

9. OB should be pursued with carthage and egypt, as well as zulu adn vikings.

10. Once we have 6 swords, 4 axes, and 5 cats, plus assorted other troops, assault antium and take it. Do not pillage it. Send any mobile units into germany to pillage what they can. if an assault on antium is successful, continue on to Rome after losses are replaced and reinforcements arrive. If captured, raze Rome. Then seek peace with rome, but do not give up antium. This is all in the future, not in my term. These plans will be forwarded to the next president as a suggestion for the continuation of the war.

11. If the galley sent to the eastern iberian coast sees little action, scout rome and the rest of italy.
 
wen me be saying medal, me pulling the truth a tad, yeah, mate. the ninja-pirates, including little old me, thank you, brave, awesome, almost-ninja-pirate worhty Arya for your pardon. ultra thanks yo, ARGH!

OOC: :p
 
Ugggggh now i have over 15 pages of Arya Notes. Your Administration had waaaaaaaay to much drama.

@Cull
True i didn't expect that outcome, being pardoned. Considering Arya and his zealots never joined coalitions with the Imperial party theres no-one to stop Ilduce if he calls for me to be branded a traitor as well now that he has the power.
It did help that i allowed myself to be caught and had a logical if ruthless reason to state when people asked my purpose.

In my history defence you were a pretty nice opposition leader :p we talked, we agreed or disagreed and i listened to your opinion and then acted as i could. Hell it's what helped tip the scales to the Monk's joining the Green Philosophers as a silent partner to get you elected.

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On Elections
So officially now the Liberal Marxists have joined Aegis? Thats a significant bump. Yet the Zealots have yet to be officially sworn into the group?

And of course it's doubtful anyone will want to let the Pirate-Ninja's join a coalition now.
 
Hey you still gotta survive the duel. Im rolling dice now for the turnout. I wont reveal it until later though.
 
The duel is for real. No way. Is that even allowed without LH's permission? Although you can cripple me.
 
@Cull: Ravus simply ridded our lands of a foreign religion. You, whether intentionally or not, took steps that would have significantly ruined our war effort.
 
The Duel is off.

Sorry, but I'd rather not go into anything that might kill a player. Just me.

Oh, and I left for an hour and a half to play Jurassic Park Operation Genesis and I find a whole new page. <sigh> I'm starting to understand how you feel. Playing BFME soon.

- Lighthearter
 
Faith and Strength is part of no coalition and has no allegiance at the moment. And i pardoned him as part of my presidency, not as a zealot.

Ilduce doesnt have that power yet. There is still hope for you. Cull, how did you feel about me when i was opposition leader in your term as president? Im stsarting to get curious about that.

OFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE FAITH AND STRENGTH

I find it strange how Ilduce has complained about the LMP being in the same coalition as him during the time of the CoF, and he even made it clear to me how that was a main reason of him founding Aegis, yet they are now part of his coalition again. I ask Ilduce to explain why this is so. I personally believe that he is a very unreliable leader, that will go back on promises, brand good men traitors, and ruin england in all its glory (that we have left).
 
The Duel is off.

Sorry, but I'd rather not go into anything that might kill a player. Just me.

Oh, and I left for an hour and a half to play Jurassic Park Operation Genesis and I find a whole new page. <sigh> I'm starting to understand how you feel. Playing BFME soon.

- Lighthearter

Are you sure? I actually changed it to a coin flip and none of the options would have involved either of us being killed. or crippled. Hurt, yes. Hurt very badly, yes. Killed/crippled? No. I was even going to write up a piece and sendit to you LH to post as an update.

But if that is your wish the duel is off.
 
@Cull: Ravus simply ridded our lands of a foreign religion. You, whether intentionally or not, took steps that would have significantly ruined our war effort.

dez made me laugh. are you really saying that i, glorious leader of the ninja-pirates, tried to ruin tis little "war" effort. dont be kidding me. with what me did, you little people have to work harder, and get better to win. besides, there be a fight club of death in the mine. Dez people probably would have caused a riot. and of course you fancy little people in your little houses in the city do not know for des. me be saving your life, little one.

EDIT: Arya opposistion style was different from my more friendly style. It worked, but we have yet to see which way is better.
 
Wait, there was a duel? And it was actually important? :lol:

Well, its been called off, so no need for me to learn about it. :p
 
Well i think my style has taken over as MN took it to the next level.
 
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