Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Stingray43]

Stingray, that second to last post was putting poor Cull in a really awkward position (Cull isn't gay), so STOP. Its getting ANNOYING.

How can it be annoying if it's the FIRST TIME I'VE DONE IT???????
also, you didn't read the edit, did you?

 

[Cull]

@Stingray: It can be argued that all 15 of your posts are spam.

@Iron Mine: Ain't saying anything, and you can't make me say anything. Choose what you will from that

And of course, Stingray message is OOC, Iron Mine is IC(OOC on that would be way differnet), and this sentence is OOC.

 

[arya126]

darn.

Create your own party then for christs sake. Its not a big deal.

I dont play BTS, so i cant use espionage, but from what i gather unless you are about to go to war and want intel on a foe, or plan to use it to steal techs, or something like that its kind of worthless. It would make more sense to put that 10% into gold or research. Much better benefits.

 

[arya126]

@Stingray: It can be argued that all 15 of your posts are spam.

@Iron Mine: Ain't saying anything, and you can't make me say anything. Choose what you will from that

And of course, Stingray message is OOC, Iron Mine is IC(OOC on that would be way differnet), and this sentence is OOC.

Your making yourself a suspect Cull...but nothing happened that i know of so nobody do anything. For all i know LH decided that the guy was arrested on suspicion of terrorism.

 

[Cull]

The main use of espionage for me in terms of SP is acting as an instant 0% city cultural defense, and sabotaging spaceship parts(hard). Steal techs is very good(do this sometimes), espically with GSpy from GW, using it to change religion or civics is actually quite useful(don't use it often) intel on foe is meh, and the rest is situational.

Also, I was going to be a suspect anyways.

 

[Sonereal]

And of course you bring up the second point and not the first. Please respond to the first part as well.

*Yawn*

You and Ayra were really interesting at first but now it's basically descended to "We're not getting what we want so we're going to blow up stuff now!" or at least, threaten to do so if you don't get things your way. I'm incapable of working with you two and it isn't even in my job description to do so.

When push comes to shove, even if Aegis loses and MathNerd becomes president, I will support him as he's shown to at least be open to compromise. For you two, there is no compromise from your part.

 

[Cull]

I don't compromise. Sheesh, I do compromise. See Ravus adminstration, and almost everything up to this point. I'm merely argueing my point for my sabotage. As bad as Arya, threatning Armed Revolution? I think not.

 

[arya126]

Compromise destroys policy. A half way policy results in nothing getting done to its fullest potential.

If you dont try to deal with me I will be a real pain. I can guarantee that.

 

[Cull]

I no longer support Arya. His we at the moment is just his party.

 

[arya126]

The we was changed to I once i saw your previous post 3 posts above my current one.

 

[Sonereal]

I don't compromise. Sheesh, I do compromise. See Ravus adminstration, and almost everything up to this point. I'm merely argueing my point for my sabotage. As bad as Arya, threatning Armed Revolution? I think not.

You're right. I spoke in haste and I'm sorry. You really would make a good Minister of Espionage and I personally wouldn't mind. I don't have anything against you and I've read the books and you are great at compromising.

Compromise destroys policy. A half way policy results in nothing getting done to its fullest potential.

If you dont try to deal with us we wikll be a real pain. i can guarantee that.

That's why your Administration was is a failure. You was a crap diplomat, a crap politician, and a crap maker of foreign policy.

 

[Stingray43]

Because of recent conflicts, I no longer will support the green party until a better administration has been created. From now on, I want all of my votes to be distributed among the green party's opposition. Thank you and have a nice day. ( or a really suckish one if you are MN)

 

[Cull]

You can't change votes. Again, I asked you numerous times to not post until you read the rules, or at least until MN informs you of the rules.

 

[Sonereal]

You can't change votes. Again, I asked you numerous times to not post until you read the rules, or at least until MN informs you of the rules.

Its a case of not RTFM.

 

[arya126]

You're right. I spoke in haste and I'm sorry. You really would make a good Minister of Espionage and I personally wouldn't mind. I don't have anything against you and I've read the books and you are great at compromising.



That's why your Administration was is a failure. You was a crap diplomat, a crap politician, and a crap maker of foreign policy.

Really? I think you cant judge an adminstration until down the road, once you can see the long term effects of it. I am actually a good diplomat, and i am willing to compromise. I think i mispoke before. I dont like to compromise beyond a certain point. I actually had a good forign policy, although i dont know if what i asked LH to do was carried out or not. I tryed for open borders with selected CIVs, tried to trade techs with them to improve relations, and even encouraged non-essential resource trading. Crap politician? How did i make it to the post of president then? Failure eh? We will see just how far YOU get when you become president (eventually you will. I think everyone will probably eventually get the turn), although i expect that the nation you inherit will be in a much better position then the one i started off with was. i started from scratch everywhere except london. I built up justa bout every improvemnt you can see except the ones around london. Nottingham? Kent? Cities i settled. Most of the troosp you could see on the overview maps when war was declared? Result of me building up a military. Liverpool and Iberia finally getting the first steps in a developed direction? My adminstration, therefore my decision. Although, i believe that some infra around Liverpool was built by Cull. Cant remember quite.

 

[Cull]

Ayra was really interesting at first but now it's basically descended to "I'm not getting what we want so I'm going to blow up stuff now!" or at least, threaten to do so if you don't get things your way. I'm incapable of working with you.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Allright... *goes away and gets alkohol*

You know it hasn't been this frantis slogging through posts since LH gave me the ultimate sing vote power way back in the 3rd election. I'm currently on page 150 and reading through PMs. I was trying to be sneaky and subtle about it before i posted but that ninja-pirate Cull managed to find me and called me out. So yes. I am here. And yes. I'll probably do something once i'm caught up.

 

[ilduce349]

NO IOT TALK! WE DONT CARE WHAT HAPPENS OVER THERE! The LMP left because i started talking sense into them. They might have left because you had showed them hostility in the past. You told me numerous times that you were creating Aegis to get AWAY from the LMP. What happened to that? You gave up on a principle of your policy.

I created Aegis to get away from the corruption of Modernization
I created Aegis so we could have a right wing coalition but would compromise when necessary
I never said it was to get away from LMP

Also, giving the adminstartion more power was already put down by the man. Unless you are going to defy him???

Not real power. They wont technically have more power, but we will have a president that actually listens to them.

And you are twisting my goals. I never planned on joining your coalition. Why do you think i made my demnd so unreasonable? It wasnt even the same off i made GPC. I demanded MUCH LESS from them.

Why, there party is the exact opposite of yours. Why do you hate me so much?

you could have made JMUG president instead of me. Or tried to negotiate with my demands. You did neither.

I knew there was no way I could negotiate with you. So my response offer was to Joe.
Also as Joe never responds we where worried that he was just your puppet

 

[Cull]

A puppet accusation from ilduce? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Also, I would like to ask if you would like any other position other than economic, or if you are sticking with economic.

 

[Sonereal]

Failure eh? We will see just how far YOU get when you become president (eventually you will. I think everyone will probably eventually get the turn), although i expect that the nation you inherit will be in a much better position then the one i started off with was.

Maybe si, maybe no but political realities are always the same. Walking away with the statues quo or better, in this case, would've been great but the war with Rome could've been prevented. But the honest mistake probably did a lot of good for the country as now we've learned that we need to pursue an aggressive protectionist foreign policy.

i started from scratch everywhere except london. I built up justa bout every improvemnt you can see except the ones around london. Nottingham? Kent? Cities i settled. Most of the troosp you could see on the overview maps when war was declared? Result of me building up a military. Liverpool and Iberia finally getting the first steps in a developed direction? My adminstration, therefore my decision. Although, i believe that some infra around Liverpool was built by Cull. Cant remember quite.

The problem is that France is gone and the massive economic fallout due to the war will haunt us for decades. Iberia, yes, was in the process of having its resources exploited but it wasn't exploited efficiently. Nottingham, eh. The problem is that you're naming a lot of cities but the work put into building those settlers could've gone into workers. Kent? In the long-term assuming we keep it is actually pretty nice. Nottingham wasn't in a good position IMO.

But no one remembers president's for the small things. No one remembers Clinton for his work in trying to resolve the Israeli-Palistine issue or how awesome the economy was. Most people remember him for sleeping with an intern. Most people remember Reagan for either Star Wars or for the disaster that bares his name, Reaganomics. Most people my age don't remember JFK for the Cuban Missile Crisis (unless they connect the dots right away) but for his assassination.

Can anyone remember Coolidge? He did a ton of good. Eisenhower I think did so as well for building up the highways but we don't remember these things in hindsight often. What we do remember is Nixon's Watergate (despite opening relations with the PRC). We remember FDR for WW2 (and the New Deal more often lately). We remember Lincoln for the Civil War, then assassination which ties with the Emancipation Proclamation (a big good). It takes a lot of good to make people forget the bad things that happened. Most people even forget that we went to the moon when Nixon was president.


And that's the problem Ayra. Say that this game sees five, ten more Administrations. No one is going to remember the good work you did do in Iberia. They're going to remember how you lost France. Is that fair? Not really. The only good thing is that Ravus writes the history book but even then, things are lost in time and sometimes, what people say contradict what they thought after reading the history books.