Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[ilduce349]

The consensus is most certainly NOT that we obliterate Mongolia. Consensus would imply that there has been a major discussion on the issue that collectively we had agreed on a course of action.

Actaully: Ravus (in chat), Whosit (in chat), LMP (in forum) and I all agreed on the consensus.

If anybody starts another war before our economy is back in shape, I will start an opposition movement, even if it kills my reputation.

As I said. The 4 step plan:
1. Capitulate Rome
2. Build buildings and missionaries
3. Build Armies
4. DOW Ireland (this will be in atlest 50 turns (more then 2 elections))

 

[arya126]

HEY! GUYS! WHY THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO WAR, AGAIN?????

Why dont we save this talk for, say, 60-90 turns later? We should rebuild the economy for now. Infra, improvements, buildings, the whole sha-bang. IM pretty sure that we all promised to at least 60 turns of peace after the end of the war in europe because we used Ravus's compromise war plan (which MN messed up).

Why is everyone saying befriend vikings again? Seriously? Why the HELL should we befriend them? All it would do is take the fun out of a war in europe. They are the late game twist. Leave them the hell alone. Keep them at cautious. Befriend Egypt. Retake ireland and vassalize the irish mongols. Take the two known african cities and vassalize the rest of carthage.

And btw, check out my record time on chat.

 

[mechaerik]

WHY? Because we must

 

[MathNerd]

I agree with Arya on the don't go to war thing, but not on the don't befriend Vikings thing. Why not become friends with the Vikings? We don't lose a SINGLE thing by breaking our friendship with them later on down the road.

 

[ilduce349]

I prefer Mechs plan over Arya's

 

[Spectrite]

Regarding Ireland. I believe we should attack them at some point, HOWEVER, it should definitely be a long-term plan. We are nowhere near ready to attack them at this point. We need one or two terms of peace, minimum.

Why not become friends with the Vikings? We don't lose a SINGLE thing by breaking our friendship with them later on down the road.

But we will have to give up something to befriend them in the first place. We have to do something to make them like us (read: give them something).

 

[MathNerd]

But not much. I'd MUCH prefer giving up a small tech or two to the Vikings over having to constantly be preparing for a possible war. (E.g. Vikings + Russians + Saladin vs. Us)

 

[ilduce349]

Arya just hit the 24 hour mark on chat

 

[MathNerd]

Ravus's compromise war plan (which MN messed up).

Sorry for making this all in bold, but your talk about me messing up the plan is really pissing me off. I POSTED the plan ON THE THREAD, and you DID NOT COMPLAIN at the time. I tried my best to put what you said into the plan, and I changed it several times because you kept saying it was not Ravus's real plan. If you had complained back then, and I had refused to change it, then you would have a point. But you did not.

EDIT: Now that I've calmed down, I should apologize for getting the plan wrong.

 

[Aysee]

The Vikings are only -2. All we need to do is convert them and give them something minor. Then start cultivating them as an ally.

Arya: Consider this. Russia is friends with the Vikings. The Russians absolutely hate our guts. They're friends with the Vikings. Vikings are only -2. The Vikings and the Russians are the absolute powers in Europe. If we befriend the Vikings, we get a handy barrier against Russian aggression (IIRC Ragnar won't declare on Pleased).
So befrieding them is better than ignoring them.

 

[ilduce349]

Wait, when did Ravus and MN post the plan?

 

[Whosit]

I would just like to say that if we intend to befriend the Vikings, a move which I support, we will also have to be prepared to give in to some of the demands they are likely to make of us. Giving them significant technologies (assuming we ever have something they don't) may be something we refuse. We should make a point to avoid dealing with their Worst Enemy, though I'm not sure who that is at this point. Quite possibly Rome, heh heh.

Keeping them at Pleased or higher will save us from being forced into a major arms race out of fear of attack. Obviously, Friendly is the only guarantee of total safety, but Pleased is pretty good, especially if there are others they don't like who are equally close by.

 

[MathNerd]

Wait, when did Ravus and MN post the plan?

Is this what you mean by you don't read the thread?

 

[MathNerd]

Keeping them at Pleased or higher will save us from being forced into a major arms race out of fear of attack. Obviously, Friendly is the only guarantee of total safety, but Pleased is pretty good, especially if there are others they don't like who are equally close by.

Don't AIs (other than Catherine and Victoria) not declare war on Pleased?

 

[ilduce349]

I only skim read, skipping many pages due to the lack of time. (However from the time I became pres to the time I resigned, I read every post in between)

 

[ilduce349]

Don't AIs (other than Catherine and Victoria) not declare war on Pleased?

I have been declared war on every game from someone who is pleased. (I generrally give in to the demands of people who are pleased or friendly with me, so they stay like that the entire game)
Once the Mongols declared war when I was friendly (???)
Speaking of Catherine I love the sexual reference she makes. (This is the time when you ask which one, she has 2 or 3)

 

[MathNerd]

I have been declared war on every game from someone who is pleased. (I generrally give in to the demands of people who are pleased or friendly with me, so they stay like that the entire game)
Once the Mongols declared war when I was friendly (???)

This may have been that AI's actually declare war 5ish turns after they decide that they will declare war, and the Mongols may have gotten up to friendly in those 5 turns.

Speaking of Catherine I love the sexual reference she makes. (This is the time when you ask which one, she has 2 or 3)

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[ilduce349]

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If you want to know what I am talking about, go on chat

 

[Lighthearter]

I will play the battle of Medio tomorrow. If Frederick came through then there really won't be anything more then a single brutal turn to worry about. But we'll see. Oh yes - we'll see - MUHAHAHAHAHA, ah, ahem, errr, nothing

- Lighthearter

 

[MathNerd]

Oh yes - we'll see - MUHAHAHAHAHA, ah, ahem, errr, nothing

Once when you said that, we lost Ravus-York...