We don't know the full roster yet though. To me, at least, the game has a good roster so far.
Civ V did have the Huns.
Redesigning the Civ VI Civs
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Civ V did have the Huns.
You're right. We still don't know what other civs we will have, but Civ VI to me already has more sins than Civ V. But I will say it again - Civ VI is a much better game than V.We don't know the full roster yet though. To me, at least, the game has a good roster so far.
Civ V did have the Huns.
Civ V's sins are definitely the Huns, the Celts, the Polynesians as a blob civ, the Shoshone (although that one is understandable given the problem they had with the Puebloans and their language), and Venice as a city-state (because Venice is not just the city of Venice).
If you go back and read the first post you will see that this is not a thread for only my ideas. Anyone can suggest theirs.
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As you request, then I won't stay too humble anymore.
Wu Zetian
LUA: Zhenuan's Reign
City's loyalty pressure decreases only 4% per tile, rather than 10% per tile.
Government plaza +2 yield to districts 2 tiles around it, instead of normally only to adjacent districts. Each government plaza building +1 Great People point to districts it affects.
Note: Zhenuan's reign was not directly credited to Wu, but to another emperor before her. Wu's reign, and also her husband's reign( in which Wu took part as acutally co-ruler in power) were considered the extension of the golden era of Zhenuan. At the era of these three emperors, Tang dynasty China's power reached its peak in controlling their neighbors, setting up its image as a superior civ to them and received tributes from them. And these 3 rulers liked to promote talented people regardless of their backgrounds so their government efficiency( and bureaucracy) also increased significantly.
UD: Du Hufu
Replace encampment. +10% of the city's loyalty pressure at built, and +extra 5% when there a unit defending it or adjacent it. Maximum +30%.
Units produced here get a +5 combat strength when within 2 tiles of her own territory.
Agenda: Grand Interrogation
Likes Civs that keep diplomatic promises and dislikes those who doesn't, or caught in spy missions in her realm.
UU: Shence Guards
Replaces Pikeman. They fight with extra strength at tiles influenced by internal loyalty pressure, the bonus strength is equal to 40% of the pressure on that tile. Can be upgraded from spearman.
Playstyle:
The great city flipper in the new loyalty system. All nations around Wu should fear their cities to lose loyalty.
And she gains strength in rising her cities loyalties, allowing her to grab those free cities easy and further threaten her neighbors.
The extra bonus to government plaza should provide extra adjacency bonus for the capital, not too powerful, but at least decent.
Wu Zetian
LUA: Zhenuan's Reign
City's loyalty pressure decreases only 4% per tile, rather than 10% per tile.
Government plaza +2 yield to districts 2 tiles around it, instead of normally only to adjacent districts. Each government plaza building +1 Great People point to districts it affects.
Note: Zhenuan's reign was not directly credited to Wu, but to another emperor before her. Wu's reign, and also her husband's reign( in which Wu took part as acutally co-ruler in power) were considered the extension of the golden era of Zhenuan. At the era of these three emperors, Tang dynasty China's power reached its peak in controlling their neighbors, setting up its image as a superior civ to them and received tributes from them. And these 3 rulers liked to promote talented people regardless of their backgrounds so their government efficiency( and bureaucracy) also increased significantly.
UD: Du Hufu
Replace encampment. +10% of the city's loyalty pressure at built, and +extra 5% when there a unit defending it or adjacent it. Maximum +30%.
Units produced here get a +5 combat strength when within 2 tiles of her own territory.
Agenda: Grand Interrogation
Likes Civs that keep diplomatic promises and dislikes those who doesn't, or caught in spy missions in her realm.
UU: Shence Guards
Replaces Pikeman. They fight with extra strength at tiles influenced by internal loyalty pressure, the bonus strength is equal to 40% of the pressure on that tile. Can be upgraded from spearman.
Playstyle:
The great city flipper in the new loyalty system. All nations around Wu should fear their cities to lose loyalty.
And she gains strength in rising her cities loyalties, allowing her to grab those free cities easy and further threaten her neighbors.
The extra bonus to government plaza should provide extra adjacency bonus for the capital, not too powerful, but at least decent.
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I guess it's just a matter of preference. I'll take this roster over the ones you mentioned above.
OK, so I have changed my China design a bit.
First of all, the UB I think China should have is the Ancestral Shrine, it should replace the shrine and provide 1 amenity. Nothing too unique, but still something that should work.
When it comes to the leaders, I have redesigned Wu Zetian, while leaving Kangxi as I have designed him.
So:
Wu Zetian
Ability: Acts of Grace – each specialist provides +1 to their yield, -1 maintenance cost for military units for every farm, first spy is available at castles and not diplomatic service
Agenda: Manual of Accusation – likes civilizations that use spies for counter-espionage missions, especially those who have successfully prevented espionage missions in their cities, dislikes civilizations that do not defend against foreign espionage
I think these bonuses would be a decent translation of Wu's policies into the world of "Civilization". I also think she could have been the espionage-focused leader instead of Catherine de' Medici, so I gave her some of her abilities. Her agenda reflects her tactics to secure her rule over China, and the closest thing to that we have in the game is counter-espionage, which is something she could be very fond of.
First of all, the UB I think China should have is the Ancestral Shrine, it should replace the shrine and provide 1 amenity. Nothing too unique, but still something that should work.
When it comes to the leaders, I have redesigned Wu Zetian, while leaving Kangxi as I have designed him.
So:
Wu Zetian
Ability: Acts of Grace – each specialist provides +1 to their yield, -1 maintenance cost for military units for every farm, first spy is available at castles and not diplomatic service
Agenda: Manual of Accusation – likes civilizations that use spies for counter-espionage missions, especially those who have successfully prevented espionage missions in their cities, dislikes civilizations that do not defend against foreign espionage
I think these bonuses would be a decent translation of Wu's policies into the world of "Civilization". I also think she could have been the espionage-focused leader instead of Catherine de' Medici, so I gave her some of her abilities. Her agenda reflects her tactics to secure her rule over China, and the closest thing to that we have in the game is counter-espionage, which is something she could be very fond of.
Civ 6 is almost a perfect game for me. The only things I could have wished for is
1) Alexander getting a more serious look. He's too cartoony. Probably have the person who designed Cyrus be his designer.
2) Some questionable leader choices.
a. Remove Sparta and Gorgo from the game.Greece has too many leaders and Gorgo is the weakest link when compared to Pericles and Alexander.
b. Replace that Indonesian Queen to Hayam Wuruk. Hayam Wuruk is the best leader of Majapahit and he should appear at least once.
c. Replace Catherine de Medici with someone French. Louis XIV maybe?
d. Replace Seondeok with Gwanggaeto the Great
1) Alexander getting a more serious look. He's too cartoony. Probably have the person who designed Cyrus be his designer.
2) Some questionable leader choices.
a. Remove Sparta and Gorgo from the game.Greece has too many leaders and Gorgo is the weakest link when compared to Pericles and Alexander.
b. Replace that Indonesian Queen to Hayam Wuruk. Hayam Wuruk is the best leader of Majapahit and he should appear at least once.
c. Replace Catherine de Medici with someone French. Louis XIV maybe?
d. Replace Seondeok with Gwanggaeto the Great
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
I don't care about Gorgo, but I'm fine with Gitarja, Catherine de Medici (as long as we get an alternate male French leader), and Seondeok. I don't understand what's so bad about Gitarja and Seondeok compared with their male counterparts. Putting Gwanggaeto in the game could piss off the Chinese government, since they claim Goguryeo was Chinese instead of Korean. I'm sure Hayam Wuruk will be a leader for Indonesia in a future Civ game someday.
Well I don't think Civ will last forever and Indonesia being a less must-have civ, I think we should have Hayam Wuruk the soonest time possible.
As for Gwanggaeto, it's pretty much known in history that he was Korean. I don't think the Chinese will complain at all. I myself have read a lot of Chinese history books and some are from China (my brother in law is Chinese) and nowhere in their books was Gwanggaeto nor Goguryeo mentioned.
With Seondeok though, we already saw the damage done. Various websites highlight how the Koreans themselves hate the fact Seondeok is representing them. She lost various castles during her reign and was deemed incompetent.
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No, the chinese won't mind actually. China was in a period of chaos and separation, and they considered Gwanggaeto and Goguryeo as barbarians, or at least, foreigners/Non Han chinese.
Although some of Gwanggaeto's historical sites are located in modern day China.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Was Jindeok a better ruler than Seondeok?
That's good to hear. Maybe Gwanggaeto has a chance of becoming a Korean leader in Civ. No idea how they would depict him, besides drawing from depictions in Korean dramas (is the armor accurate?).
It seems like her time was more peaceful.
There is also Myeongseong
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I was initially excited about the civ 6 civ/leader ability designs but have recently come to a different opinion. This is mainly due to playing JFD’s Rule with Faith mod.
Basically RwF gives more policies and great person abilities that mimic some of the civ’s abilities like India’s. This made me go back to Civ 4’s model. I think future Civ games should go back to Civ 4 model and introduce more policies, governments and great people abilities to allow all Civs to have unique Civ 6 like traits.
Basically RwF gives more policies and great person abilities that mimic some of the civ’s abilities like India’s. This made me go back to Civ 4’s model. I think future Civ games should go back to Civ 4 model and introduce more policies, governments and great people abilities to allow all Civs to have unique Civ 6 like traits.
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