Religous Viewas on Masterbation?

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I was looking through wikipedia and I came across this, its amusing to see the varying views about masterbation and sex, and I was wondering if some of the religous people could enlighten me on why they hold these particular views. It seems odd to me to not masterbate and fulfill ones sexual desires.

Religion

Religious attitudes towards masturbation are varied. In some, such as Catholicism, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Judaism, some forms of conservative Protestantism and Islam, masturbation is regarded as an impure practice. In others such as Wicca and Vajrayana, it is encouraged as a healthy, normal practice that can lead to higher spirituality.:D

It has been reported by Rolling Stone [9] that a small Christian-right group in America is encouraging people to wear a masturband to indicate a commitment to abstinence from masturbation.:eek:


Buddhism


In the Buddhist tradition, under the Five Precepts and the Eightfold Path, one should neither be attached to nor crave sensual pleasure.[10]. Fully ordained Buddhist monks may, depending on the tradition, be bound by hundreds of detailed rules or vows that may include a ban on sexual relations and masturbation. Vajrayana, or Tantric Buddhism, has no such ban, and instead teaches that such activity can be used to approach a higher spiritual level.



Judaism


In the Bible masturbation is not explicitly prohibited. The Talmud however forbids masturbation, as it leads to unnecessary spilling of semen, or the impure thoughts of another. This prohibition is derived from the Biblical narrative of Onan (Talmud Niddah 13a). The Talmud (ibid) likens the act to murder and idolatry. There are those that argue, however, that the wrath displayed by God toward Onan was invoked not through the act of spilling semen, but through disobedience to God's command for Onan to impregnate his brother's widow. There is disagreement between the poskim (decisors of Jewish law) whether masturbation is an acceptable way of procuring semen for artificial insemination or in vitro fertilisation. [11]


Catholicism


The Catechism of the Catholic Church lists masturbation as one of the "Offenses Against Chastity" and calls it "an intrinsically and gravely disordered action" because "use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose."


Protestantism


In a law code for the Puritan colony of New Haven in the 17th century blasphemers, homosexuals and masturbators were eligible for the death penalty. [9] Protestant theologians only began revising previous teachings toward the middle of the 20th century with some today even taking pro-masturbation viewpoints. Masturbation, however, is still viewed by some denominations as an act of self-indulgence and a sin of the flesh, making it a continetious issue to this day.

Islam


Istimna (استمناء) is the Arabic term for masturbation. Masturbation may only be done in fear of committing adultery, nor is it preferred (either getting married and fasting is suggested as alternatives from hadith). It is totally forbiden in the Shi'a sect, but the four Sunni schools of jurisprudence (known as mazaheb) have differing stances on the issue. Some consider it forbidden in all cases. Some see it forbidden in certain cases but obligatory in others. Another view is that it is Makruh but not expressly forbidden. Scholars of Islam do not approve of masturbation, except in extenuating circumstances. There is no explicit statement in the Quran, the main source of Islam, that forbids one from masturbation.

In Islam, sexual engagement outside of marriage is a major sin, which cause the doer to be punished in this life and the Qiyama. Yet if one's desire is so overwhelming one might perform a greater wrong by having sex outside marriage, masturbation becomes permissible as a necessity: "And those who are not married should try to live in chastity, until God enriches them with His Grace" (Qur'an, 24:33)

Masturbation, like any form of sex in which seminal or vaginal fluids have been released, breaks one's fast if performed during the daylight hours and requires a major ablution if any seminal or vaginal fluids were released.

According to Sheikh Hamed Al-Ali: "Masturbation during the daytime of Ramadan breaks the fast, based on the Hadith that a fasting Muslim gives up eating, drinking, and sexual desire for the sake of Allah. Since masturbation is a kind of sexual desire, a fasting Muslim must avoid it. Therefore, masturbation invalidates the fast as does food and as it is one of the sins that if someone does it he or she would be violating the sanctity of this month." [citation needed]


Hinduism


Masturbation is not specifically mentioned in any of the religious scriptures; however, many conservative Hindus see it as impure and addictive, while seeing it as a distraction from prayer and the pursuit of a sattvic and pure lifestyle. Many also see it as overindulgence, which is not permitted by brahmacharyas who are in the pursuit of God and live morally and physically pure lifestyles.

However other schools of thought such as, the Tantric practices of Hinduism, the Hindu Religion native to India, teach that enlightenment can be approached through divine sex. Divine sex is one way that one can approach Nirvana, a oneness with a higher spiritual level. As such, the Tantric practices, through writings such as the Kama Sutra seek not to repress sexuality, but to perfect it. By perfecting the act of divine sex, including masturbation, one clears the mind of earthly desires, leaving the soul on a higher level devoid of such worries, filled with bliss, and relaxed. The Hindu Tantric practices crossed geographical boundaries, and merged with the practices of Buddhism, and gave rise to Tantric Bhuddism, Vajrayana, which has a similar approach to sexuality, in general, viewing it as normal, natural and essential for obtaining enlightenment.:D (I like this) :nya: :yup:
 
Catholicism

The Catechism of the Catholic Church lists masturbation as one of the "Offenses Against Chastity" and calls it "an intrinsically and gravely disordered action" because "use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose."
Esentialy, masturbation causes the seed (sperm) to fall into infertile ground (Releace not in the vaginal intercourse).
 
Heh that's weird....... but quite an interesting read. And I was gonna ask why edxactly you were looking at that, but a few months back I got bored on Wiki and ended up reading about the history of Japanese pornography or something like :p

The Death Penalty eh? :hmm: I'm kinda glad they revised that one.....

edit: CG- I'm assuming thats the same reason the Church has bad views upon condoms?
 
Yeah, interesting stuff Silver. This is what I was hinting at when I quoted Monty Python's "Every Sperm is Sacred" in another thread.

As for the view that masturbation can lead higher spirituality, they are dead right. Just a few nights ago I saw the light and attained nirvana whilst spanking the monkey :ack:
 
steviejay said:
edit: CG- I'm assuming thats the same reason the Church has bad views upon condoms?
Thats also the same reason why the Church views artifical contraception as immoral.
 
Rambuchan said:
Just a few nights ago I saw the light and attained nirvana whilst spanking the monkey :ack:
Can we please keep it clean. I realy dont want to see a good thread with a good discussion to be closed because of profanity :ack:
 
I saw a Universum documentary about ancient Egypt a couple of weeks ago where a historian said that in springtime there was a religious ceremony where the Pharao would masturbate into the Nile for a good harvest of crops.

Seems things went downwards since then with monotheistic religions taking a hostile view on sexuality.
 
Mr. Blonde said:
I saw a Universum documentary about ancient Egypt a couple of weeks ago where a historian said that in springtime there was a religious ceremony where the Pharao would masturbate into the Nile for a good harvest of crops.

Seems things went downwards since then with monotheistic religions taking a hostile view on sexuality.

I believe that comes from Egyptian Mythology where it was believed that Atum, the first God created life by masturbating.

Come on, who wants to be the first to make a 'Big Bang' joke?
 
steviejay said:
I believe that comes from Egyptian Mythology where it was believed that Atum, the first God created life by masturbating.

Come on, who wants to be the first to make a 'Big Bang' joke?
Sorry, I am still sticking with the God ate a bean Burrito and just farted out the universe :lol:. I apologize if that was sacreligious.
 
CivGeneral said:
Can we please keep it clean. I realy dont want to see a good thread with a good discussion to be closed because of profanity :ack:
CivGeneral said:
Sorry, I am still sticking with the God ate a bean Burrito and just farted out the universe :lol:. I apologize if that was sacreligious.
Please, do two things for me:

1) make up your mind about the tone of this conversation.
2) spare me your peity and double standards.
 
CivGeneral said:
Esentialy, masturbation causes the seed (sperm) to fall into infertile ground (Releace not in the vaginal intercourse).

Of course, sperm has to go somewhere, so every single sperm produced apart from that in the time close to when a man has sex dies without cause. So really the Church should be campaigning for children to start having sex as early as they can, lest all those millions of potential children get wasted ;)
 
Heh, not at all :p Atum was quite a character, he tried to have sex with his shadow. it's like..... a dark.....dark version of Peter Pan ;)
 
steviejay said:
I believe that comes from Egyptian Mythology where it was believed that Atum, the first God created life by masturbating.

Now there's an interesting Genesis story! I'm sure there's lots of good material in there, but I suppose we should keep this clean :groucho:

This issue is actually something that helped shape my view on religion and the catholic church in particular. I hit my 'religious stride' at about 14 (before that church was just something to do with my family, but at around this time I started taking it very seriously), which coincided nicely with an influx of those lovely hormones that puberty gives you. ;) I remember staying up at night pinching my arm and biting on my fingers to stop thinking about girls and the adultery that I was committing 'in my heart'. When I did give in, I would feel so ashamed after that I would pray and say hail mary's all night until I was too exhausted to go on. After a long while I began to feel like I was really starting to resent god and the church, and that's when i realized that maybe there was more to faith than the hard and fast rules (yes, pun intended ;) ). That's when I put down my bible and starting thinking about what I really beleived in.

So yeah, I guess masterbation can bring enlightenment :)
 
I donate all my masturbation proceeds to science and IVF couples!

Or I don't. You can't tell over the internet whether I have a twinkle in my eye.
 
Che Guava said:
Now there's an interesting Genesis story! I'm sure there's lots of good material in there, but I suppose we should keep this clean :groucho:
Let's just hope they don't open a museum to educate us all about it....
 
Rambuchan said:
Let's just hope they don't open a museum to educate us all about it....


Visitors to the museum, a few miles from Cincinnati, will be able to watch the story of creation unfold in a 180-seat special-effects theater, see a 40-foot-tall recreation of a section of Noah's......

ten I'm-going-to-hell characters...
 
Anti-masturbation laws were in full effect in the Byzantine Empire. Sexual crimes involved rape, public masturbation, orgies, incest and various others. Ussually the punishments for the lesser crimes were either only religious (bans from being allowed to enter church or recieve communion) or also civic, but they could be bought off. Punishment for the more serious crimes extented to death, or cutting of the nose (my personal favourite cruel byzantine punishment, along with the classic "blinding-and-throwing-to-some-dark-monastery-cell", which was also the punishment inflicted on the emperor Romanos Diogenes).

Pre-christianity there do not appear to have been any punishments for masturbation. For example in ancient greek mythology no one is punished for having a high sex drive, and the gods ussually are patrons of such a state (with Zeus being the best example).
Whereas people have met gruesome deaths in ancient greek myth by trying to look at naked nymphs, they have not been punished due to any lack of "ethics", but because of a breaking of a hierarchy.

Freud's "totems and taboos" presents the argument that sexually-related laws have their origin in the fear of incest, which probably was developed by the observation of the negative biological aspects of incestual relationships in many generations.
 
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