GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I feel that we should not restart.
Restart
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Bengeance
Civ Retributioner
I wish to change my vote from no restart to yes restart. I have thought about it quite a bit and the sacrifice in the short term is not as bad as the potential for misfortune and abuse in the long term.
Moderator Action: Vote changed - Rik
Moderator Action: Vote changed - Rik
Bengeance
Civ Retributioner
I'm pretty sure that when the mods change a vote the name stays with the original vote but the number of votes changes. My name still appears in the no restart list, but it has been changed to restart.
Donovan Zoi
The Return
Whomp said:Umm...can a mod change Chieftess' vote. It still shows abtain.
No more changing unwarranted votes, please. The names don't carry over from the original vote; the counts are merely adjusted.
Incidentally, that brings up an interesting point. If you count the names for original intention, you get the following:
19 (Yes) / 26 (No) / 5 (Abstain) = 50 votes
However, the count currently stands at:
23 (Yes) / 22 (No) / 4 (Abstain) + 49 votes
I have only seen record of three vote changes in this thread. Two from No to Yes (greekguy, Bengeange) and one from Abstain to Yes (Chieftess). Once these changes are made, the current total should be:
22 (Yes) / 24 (No) / 4 (Abstain)
Can someone please tell me what happened with the lost vote? Also, it sounds like both CT and Rik may have adjusted the vote change for Bengeance.
Please resolve these errors as soon as possible.
Bengeance
Civ Retributioner
DZ,
I don't think that the easy way out in this situation is the restart. It is clear that some people are very much opposed to it, just as some are very much in favor. The choice to restart says that we must lay aside a goodly portion of what has been done so far and start over. I don't think that is easy, but I do think that it is right. It'd be nice to have you actively involved, but hardly necessary for the game to go on. However, if we can have a game with autologging and no cheat enabled, I think this makes for a better experience overall and is worth a little sacrifice now.
I don't think that the easy way out in this situation is the restart. It is clear that some people are very much opposed to it, just as some are very much in favor. The choice to restart says that we must lay aside a goodly portion of what has been done so far and start over. I don't think that is easy, but I do think that it is right. It'd be nice to have you actively involved, but hardly necessary for the game to go on. However, if we can have a game with autologging and no cheat enabled, I think this makes for a better experience overall and is worth a little sacrifice now.
Donovan Zoi
The Return
Bengeance said:
Bengeance,
Let me give a real world example to clarify my position.
Let's just say that irrefutable evidence became available that stated without question that George W. Bush did not garner the electoral votes need to win the Presidential election in 2000. Would we be able to magically transport back to that year to start our lives anew under the new government? Though half of us would have their reasons of saying YES and the other half NO, the correct answer is: Of course not!
I have always felt that the same rules should apply regarding the DemoGame. Our world is already made for us. People in our capital of Boaring Wallow are awaiting our guidance; there is a vast new world out there that only one knucklehead knows about. In PBEM games, I know that sometimes the best move is to scrap a game when someone drops out or a certain exploit is used. However, in the DemoGame, our goal is to play through it using the resources we have at hand: our laws, our tenacity and the current game.
This is why I choose to label the option of restarting from scratch as "the easy way out" even though I respect the position of those who voted that way -- I meant no offense by that. Heck, I even voted originally for the No Cheat option before the game started. However, once the wheels are in motion, I choose to play by the rules we have in place at that time.
Hopefully a mod will stop by soon to validate the victory for No Restart, even though the poll results seem to currently state otherwise. This is the way it should be.
There may be some delay given that Rik Meleet is on GMT+1 (I think) and Chieftess is on GMT-5, and so they may not be online at the same time. Hopefully they will see this soon, compare notes on what votes have been changed, and announce the correct results.
Until then I suggest we continue with the election process.
Until then I suggest we continue with the election process.
ravensfire
Member of the Opposition
A brief analysis -
greekguy - switch from "No" to "Yes"
Link to post
Chieftess - switch from "Abstain" to "Yes"
Link to post
Bengeance - switch from "No" to "Yes"
Link to post
No other vote switch requests found.
Count by name
Yes: 19
No: 26
Abstain: 5
Total votes: 50
Adjusted counts
Yes: 22
No: 24
Abstain: 4
Total votes: 50
Total reported on poll
Yes: 23
No: 22
Abstain: 4
Total Votes: 49
-- Ravensfire
greekguy - switch from "No" to "Yes"
Link to post
Chieftess - switch from "Abstain" to "Yes"
Link to post
Bengeance - switch from "No" to "Yes"
Link to post
No other vote switch requests found.
Count by name
Yes: 19
No: 26
Abstain: 5
Total votes: 50
Adjusted counts
Yes: 22
No: 24
Abstain: 4
Total votes: 50
Total reported on poll
Yes: 23
No: 22
Abstain: 4
Total Votes: 49
-- Ravensfire
fe3333au
Deity
Bengeance said:
I think you are correct ... votes can only be added not taken away AFAIK
Blkbird said:
Does your JR depend on the result of the poll?
The delay is most likely to be measured in hours.
Swissempire
Poet Jester
huh, Chieftesses birthday is Feb 1st, and your girlfriedss birthday is feb 1st, huh, hm, 
*ahem* *ahem*
But seriuosly, the disparaty needs to be checked out. I think we shouldn't restart, and DZ should participate UNLESS his magical wisdom would interfere. Or we could build him the oracle and worship him until he sends us answers!!
*ahem* *ahem* But seriuosly, the disparaty needs to be checked out. I think we shouldn't restart, and DZ should participate UNLESS his magical wisdom would interfere. Or we could build him the oracle and worship him until he sends us answers!!
Swissempire said:huh, Chieftesses birthday is Feb 1st, and your girlfriedss birthday is feb 1st, huh, hm,
But seriuosly, the disparaty needs to be checked out. I think we shouldn't restart, and DZ should participate UNLESS his magical wisdom would interfere. Or we could build him the oracle and worship him until he sends us answers!!
well unless CT has been lying to everyone and does infact live in the UK and is 16 then i guess so.
ravensfire
Member of the Opposition
I copied this from the Instruction thread to push any discussion here, and not there. I am the current DP, and want to make sure everyone is aware of my intentions.
Both of the options below are dependant on a moderator reporting on the issues noted by DZ. I do invite other citizens to do the same checking DZ and others have done, and report your results. There could be messages sent to a mod to change a vote, which is why I prefer they respond.
If they have not responded by the time the game session is scheduled to start, I will delay up to one hour, then play the turn. My reasoning is simple - if the results shown ARE accurate, then there is no need to play the save, no need to spur any further debate if something extremely favorable shows up.
Should "No, keep going" be the decision
I will start the game session at 6:30 pm, CST. Due to a borrowed laptop for unrelated tested, I will be able to switch between Civ 4 and IRC. Discussion will be kept on target - please keep everything else to a minimum!
Should "Yes, restart" be chosen
Game session will be CANCELLED to determine next course of action.
Thanks,
-- Ravensfire
EDIT: No demogame channel anymore ...
Both of the options below are dependant on a moderator reporting on the issues noted by DZ. I do invite other citizens to do the same checking DZ and others have done, and report your results. There could be messages sent to a mod to change a vote, which is why I prefer they respond.
If they have not responded by the time the game session is scheduled to start, I will delay up to one hour, then play the turn. My reasoning is simple - if the results shown ARE accurate, then there is no need to play the save, no need to spur any further debate if something extremely favorable shows up.
Should "No, keep going" be the decision
I will start the game session at 6:30 pm, CST. Due to a borrowed laptop for unrelated tested, I will be able to switch between Civ 4 and IRC. Discussion will be kept on target - please keep everything else to a minimum!
Should "Yes, restart" be chosen
Game session will be CANCELLED to determine next course of action.
Thanks,
-- Ravensfire
EDIT: No demogame channel anymore ...
Bengeance
Civ Retributioner
Chieftess said:
No, I only PM'ed you about changing the vote, but I did post in the thread as you suggested. I believe that Rik saw it and may have changed it even though you had already done it.
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