Heine
The Norwegian Viking
Yes USNeA is Mongolia and Japan, you are in an alliance with Russia and Korea.
Return to Roots NES 2
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all right, I start a true update now, erez, nvm about the map you posted i am posting another map with the update which be posted in a hour or so
Plexus
Architeuthidae puericomedentis
OOC> EQ: Please remember to upgrade my economy and army.
Thanks.
Thanks.
naervod
My current user title
You got my orders from before erez posted the map right?
If not I will go find them.
If not I will go find them.
Heine
The Norwegian Viking
I hope you got my orders.
uknemesis
The Nemesis
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Why are my army and navy still gunpowder age, when two turns ago I asked for them to be upgraded (remember EQ, I ordered that my old gunpowder age man o'wars become my new Merchant Navy)?
So I would like them upgraded now to Small Industrial Age and Tiny Industrial Age respectively.
As for this turn, I would like to concentrate firstly on upgrading living standards to 1st World, and secondly to upgrading our education system to good.
Thanks!
Nemesis AKA Henry VII
naervod
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Here they are:
ORDERS:
2/5 of army continue attacking Ethiopia until it is wiped out
1/5 of army attack Indian controlled Ceylon (island south out India)
1/5 of army attack Indian controlled Seychelles (SEY)
1/5 of army stay at home
3/5 of navy at home
1/5 of navy carry army to Ceylon
1/5 of navy carry army to Seychelles
Continue construction of Trans Egyptian Railroad from Morroco to Damascus
Research rifles to improve army
Research battle baloons
Research old-style machine guns (RL American Civil War)
ORDERS:
2/5 of army continue attacking Ethiopia until it is wiped out
1/5 of army attack Indian controlled Ceylon (island south out India)
1/5 of army attack Indian controlled Seychelles (SEY)
1/5 of army stay at home
3/5 of navy at home
1/5 of navy carry army to Ceylon
1/5 of navy carry army to Seychelles
Continue construction of Trans Egyptian Railroad from Morroco to Damascus
Research rifles to improve army
Research battle baloons
Research old-style machine guns (RL American Civil War)
Heine
The Norwegian Viking
Orders:
Invade southern India with 2/5 of army and military.
Invade The Zulu from the military base at Madagascar with 2/5 of army and navy.
Build airforce.
Upgrade army and navy with Industrial age.
Increase economy.
Let forces bring pure water (give this to every people in the occopied lands that can be killed by the poisened water in Iron Fist.
So you don't miss them
Invade southern India with 2/5 of army and military.
Invade The Zulu from the military base at Madagascar with 2/5 of army and navy.
Build airforce.
Upgrade army and navy with Industrial age.
Increase economy.
Let forces bring pure water (give this to every people in the occopied lands that can be killed by the poisened water in Iron Fist.
So you don't miss them
-global events-
Chineese inventors invent a improved musket called a rifle. A few days later the Egyptians followed with a rifle of their own. Rifles have already been distributed among the armies.
Zululand collapses and has been completely occupied by the Allied forces. Rome has also fallen thanks to a quick blitz by Constantine forces and the bribery of a gate-keeper of the city. The two nations no longer exist independently. (Warman, I guess you will have to find a new nation unless someone makes a new Rome out of their conquered territory which isnt likely) Fighting resulted in between Constantine and French forces as the French continue to attampt to bypass the Roman fortifications now occupied by Constantines.
Several Roman divisions have joined the constantine army with the promise that they would fight the French.
Allied advances continue through India as the Aborigines land.
NHC enters Gunpowder Age.
-NPC Messages-
To: france
from: Aztecea and Iriquoisland
The Constantine have fought for control of southern Rome and we SUGGEST you let them keep it. Should you try to take southern Rome for yourselves we help help the Constantine people even if it comes to war.
-Histograph-
-OOC-
naervod, Ceylon is under Philipene control so those orders are not carried out.
The white line in Egypt represents the railroad.
I am under much stress right now, so please, if you have a problem with the update, dont change it to a flame war.
Chineese inventors invent a improved musket called a rifle. A few days later the Egyptians followed with a rifle of their own. Rifles have already been distributed among the armies.
Zululand collapses and has been completely occupied by the Allied forces. Rome has also fallen thanks to a quick blitz by Constantine forces and the bribery of a gate-keeper of the city. The two nations no longer exist independently. (Warman, I guess you will have to find a new nation unless someone makes a new Rome out of their conquered territory which isnt likely) Fighting resulted in between Constantine and French forces as the French continue to attampt to bypass the Roman fortifications now occupied by Constantines.
Several Roman divisions have joined the constantine army with the promise that they would fight the French.
Allied advances continue through India as the Aborigines land.
NHC enters Gunpowder Age.
-NPC Messages-
To: france
from: Aztecea and Iriquoisland
The Constantine have fought for control of southern Rome and we SUGGEST you let them keep it. Should you try to take southern Rome for yourselves we help help the Constantine people even if it comes to war.
-Histograph-
-OOC-
naervod, Ceylon is under Philipene control so those orders are not carried out.
The white line in Egypt represents the railroad.
I am under much stress right now, so please, if you have a problem with the update, dont change it to a flame war.
naervod
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I'm guessing part of the incomplete part is the map. Also, do the orders I posted just before count?
Points for disagreement with the Outcome:
1. The Constantines have a small proportion of a small (tiny last turn) gunpowder army in Italy.
2. The Constantines do not have a navy to supply their troops with food and ammunition, let alone get them to Italy in the first place.
3. These forts were constructed in one turn.
4. These forts would be undermanned and would not stand to Industrial age cannon.
5. The ENTIRE French army is engaged in Italy.
6. The French Navy is blockading Italy.
6. The Byzantines have a standard economy and cannot afford to bribe officials.
7. It has never been stated as an option to bribe officials.
1. The Constantines have a small proportion of a small (tiny last turn) gunpowder army in Italy.
2. The Constantines do not have a navy to supply their troops with food and ammunition, let alone get them to Italy in the first place.
3. These forts were constructed in one turn.
4. These forts would be undermanned and would not stand to Industrial age cannon.
5. The ENTIRE French army is engaged in Italy.
6. The French Navy is blockading Italy.
6. The Byzantines have a standard economy and cannot afford to bribe officials.
7. It has never been stated as an option to bribe officials.
Heine
The Norwegian Viking
Toasty remember small armies can in RL beat large armies (like Napoleon often did).
Heine
The Norwegian Viking
AND
EQ is the:worshp: god:worshp: of this. LOL
EQ is the:worshp: god:worshp: of this. LOL
naervod
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My counters/agreements to Toasty's arguments.
1. As Heine said, a small army can defeat a larger army with wit and strategy. Also, your army is spread across Italy whereas the majority of Constantinoples army was focused on Rome.
2. Just because they don't have a military navy, that doesn't mean they can't have supply or transport ships. Also, since it was a small army, They could've easily snuck through enemy territory. After all, I have visited that region of Italy and the terrain there is very rugged and good for hiding out.
3. Could have been Roman built forts.
4. How do you know how many men the fort required? It can take two men to operate a cannon effectively.
5. See number 1.
6. Boats could've come under the cover of darkness. Also see number 2.
7. They could've easily brought small amounts with them and gotten more money from citizens they conquered.
8. This is probably the lamest argument here. This is a story NES, anything realistic is possible here and bribing the guards is not by any stretch of the imagination unrealistic.
My point is, EQ probably had a reason for doing this and you should stop complaining. You are not the only one who had a hard time fighting Rome. The Constantines had to fight to get there independence and they had to fight to get to Rome. I am saying that you deserve alot, but not everything. The Constantines should have any land they conquer.
1. As Heine said, a small army can defeat a larger army with wit and strategy. Also, your army is spread across Italy whereas the majority of Constantinoples army was focused on Rome.
2. Just because they don't have a military navy, that doesn't mean they can't have supply or transport ships. Also, since it was a small army, They could've easily snuck through enemy territory. After all, I have visited that region of Italy and the terrain there is very rugged and good for hiding out.
3. Could have been Roman built forts.
4. How do you know how many men the fort required? It can take two men to operate a cannon effectively.
5. See number 1.
6. Boats could've come under the cover of darkness. Also see number 2.
7. They could've easily brought small amounts with them and gotten more money from citizens they conquered.
8. This is probably the lamest argument here. This is a story NES, anything realistic is possible here and bribing the guards is not by any stretch of the imagination unrealistic.
My point is, EQ probably had a reason for doing this and you should stop complaining. You are not the only one who had a hard time fighting Rome. The Constantines had to fight to get there independence and they had to fight to get to Rome. I am saying that you deserve alot, but not everything. The Constantines should have any land they conquer.
1. As Heine said, a small army can defeat a larger army with wit and strategy. Also, your army is spread across Italy whereas the majority of Constantinoples army was focused on Rome.
Wit and strategy? When Anarchy's orders are as detailed as Napoleon's at Aushwitz, I'll believe your story. But all it is in this is "send army force A to location B." There is no strategy in this game on a micro scale.
2. Just because they don't have a military navy, that doesn't mean they can't have supply or transport ships. Also, since it was a small army, They could've easily snuck through enemy territory. After all, I have visited that region of Italy and the terrain there is very rugged and good for hiding out.
Wait. So, they have ships under government control, sending troops to places and sending their supplies to the troops under orders of the government...but the government has no ships? It's a contradiction. The navy includes transports, not just warships.
3. Could have been Roman built forts.
EQ said they weren't over AIM.
4. How do you know how many men the fort required? It can take two men to operate a cannon effectively.
"Massive" forts according to EQ. "Massive." You cannot man the entire fort chain if they are all "massive." Secondly, they would have been outnumbered and outgunned.
5. See number 1.
Whatever.
6. Boats could've come under the cover of darkness. Also see number 2.
Unless they were ordered to come under the cover of darkness, they didn't. EQ cannot give one force the strategic advantage by giving his own orders to the troops.
7. They could've easily brought small amounts with them and gotten more money from citizens they conquered.
Unless it was in the orders, they didn't have it.
8. This is probably the lamest argument here. This is a story NES, anything realistic is possible here and bribing the guards is not by any stretch of the imagination unrealistic.
It's not unrealistic, granted. However, it is an entirely new, unexpected element to the game. I have a prosperous economy. Can I bribe the Constantine general in Southern Italy?
Wit and strategy? When Anarchy's orders are as detailed as Napoleon's at Aushwitz, I'll believe your story. But all it is in this is "send army force A to location B." There is no strategy in this game on a micro scale.
2. Just because they don't have a military navy, that doesn't mean they can't have supply or transport ships. Also, since it was a small army, They could've easily snuck through enemy territory. After all, I have visited that region of Italy and the terrain there is very rugged and good for hiding out.
Wait. So, they have ships under government control, sending troops to places and sending their supplies to the troops under orders of the government...but the government has no ships? It's a contradiction. The navy includes transports, not just warships.
3. Could have been Roman built forts.
EQ said they weren't over AIM.
4. How do you know how many men the fort required? It can take two men to operate a cannon effectively.
"Massive" forts according to EQ. "Massive." You cannot man the entire fort chain if they are all "massive." Secondly, they would have been outnumbered and outgunned.
5. See number 1.
Whatever.
6. Boats could've come under the cover of darkness. Also see number 2.
Unless they were ordered to come under the cover of darkness, they didn't. EQ cannot give one force the strategic advantage by giving his own orders to the troops.
7. They could've easily brought small amounts with them and gotten more money from citizens they conquered.
Unless it was in the orders, they didn't have it.
8. This is probably the lamest argument here. This is a story NES, anything realistic is possible here and bribing the guards is not by any stretch of the imagination unrealistic.
It's not unrealistic, granted. However, it is an entirely new, unexpected element to the game. I have a prosperous economy. Can I bribe the Constantine general in Southern Italy?
Plexus
Architeuthidae puericomedentis
Erik Mesoy grabbed USNA.
naervod
My current user title
You bring up good points. However:
1. You may be right, its really a toss-up
2. Have you ever heard of privately chartered boats? The government is not the only one with a navy.
3. I didn't know that as I did not see the conversation.
4. I did not see anything in this thread about the forts being massive.
5. I guess I could've stated this a little more clearly. Just because the entire French army was in Italy, it doesn't mean it will win every battle over a smaller army.
6. You do not know whether they were ordered under cover of darkness. Also, they could've snuck in.
7. I find that many people are naturally greedy, even in this game and that the Constantines could easily get money even if it wasn't in the orders, because it is natural for soldiers in that situation to take any money they find. Also, do you expect the army came to Italy completely broke? Highly unlikely.
8. Anything you can think of that is realistic goes in this game and Anarchy happened to think of it first. You could try to bribe the General, although it would probably be harder than bribing a gatekeeper.
1. You may be right, its really a toss-up
2. Have you ever heard of privately chartered boats? The government is not the only one with a navy.
3. I didn't know that as I did not see the conversation.
4. I did not see anything in this thread about the forts being massive.
5. I guess I could've stated this a little more clearly. Just because the entire French army was in Italy, it doesn't mean it will win every battle over a smaller army.
6. You do not know whether they were ordered under cover of darkness. Also, they could've snuck in.
7. I find that many people are naturally greedy, even in this game and that the Constantines could easily get money even if it wasn't in the orders, because it is natural for soldiers in that situation to take any money they find. Also, do you expect the army came to Italy completely broke? Highly unlikely.
8. Anything you can think of that is realistic goes in this game and Anarchy happened to think of it first. You could try to bribe the General, although it would probably be harder than bribing a gatekeeper.
