RFC Classical World

Samani · Sep 3, 2014

Just a little thing that I find strange: why Tyre still exist? I think it has been destroyed by Alexander. Otherwise, Xiongnu and Xianbei are cool adds.

Sitalkas · Sep 3, 2014

massacred, not destroyed!

srpt · Sep 3, 2014

Crossphazer said:
Can you explain the empire rating mechanic in more detail? I'm not quite clear on all the factors.

here it is:

Spoiler :

Code:

		## EMPIRE ##
		print "EMPIRE"
		# balance of core and empire populations, mitigated by courthouses and civics
		
		iEmpireRating = 0
		bExiled = True
		for regionID in utils.getCoreRegions(iCiv):
			if (utils.checkRegionOwnedCity(iPlayer, regionID)): 
				bExiled = False
			if not (utils.checkRegionControl(iPlayer, regionID)):
				iEmpireRating -= 3
				print "core province not controlled"
		if bExiled:
			print "Exiled"
			if utils.getYear() > tFall[iCiv]:
				self.terminalCrisis(iPlayer, iCiv, pPlayer, pTeam)
			else:
				iEmpireRating -= 6
				
		iCorePop = 0
		iEmpirePop = 0
		for pLoopCity in apCityList:
			if not pLoopCity.isNone(): 
				if pLoopCity.GetCy().isCapital():
					iCorePop += pLoopCity.getPopulation() * 3
				else:
					regionID = gc.getMap().plot(pLoopCity.GetCy().getX(),pLoopCity.GetCy().getY()).getRegionID()
					if regionID in utils.getCoreRegions(iCiv) or regionID in utils.getSpecialRegions(iCiv): 
						iCorePop += pLoopCity.getPopulation() * 2
					else: regionID in utils.getNormalRegions(iCiv):
						iFactor = 1
						if not ((iCivicGovernment == iTheocracyCivic) and (pLoopCity.GetCy().isHasReligion(iStateReligion))):
							if iCivicGovernment != iEmpireCivic: iFactor += 1
						if not (iCivicLegal == iBureaucracyCivic):
							iFactor += 1
						if not (pLoopCity.GetCy().getNumRealBuilding(iCourthouse)): 
							iFactor += 1
						if not regionID in utils.getNormalRegions(iCiv):
							iFactor += 1
						iEmpirePop += pLoopCity.getPopulation() * iFactor
			
		print ("iCorePop=", iCorePop, "iEmpirePop=", iEmpirePop)
		
		if iCorePop > iEmpirePop *2: iEmpireRating += 2
		elif iCorePop > iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating += 1
		elif iCorePop *5 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 5
		elif iCorePop *4 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 4
		elif iCorePop *3 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 3
		elif iCorePop *2 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 2
		elif iCorePop < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 1
				
		if (pPlayer.getNumCities()) * 2 < (sd.getNumCities(iPlayer)): 
			iEmpireRating -= 3
			print "high city losses"
		elif (pPlayer.getNumCities()) * 3 < (sd.getNumCities(iPlayer)) * 2: 
			iEmpireRating -= 2
			print "med city losses"
		elif pPlayer.getNumCities() < sd.getNumCities(iPlayer): 
			iEmpireRating -= 1
			print "some losses"
		
		print ("iEmpireRating=", iEmpireRating)

in plain english:

multiply capital population by 3
multiply each core city population by 2
add them up to get your core population

for each periphery city by "x"
"x" starts as 1 and goes up by 1 for:
NOT having a courthouse
NOT being in Empire or Theocracy (with state religion in the city) civic
NOT being in your border provinces
add them up to get your periphery population

the city losses part compares the number of cities you have now to the maximum number you ever had. you get a -1 to -3 based on how many cities you've lost.

Tigranes · Sep 3, 2014

Samani said:
Just a little thing that I find strange: why Tyre still exist? I think it has been destroyed by Alexander. Otherwise, Xiongnu and Xianbei are cool adds.

In 126 BC, Tyre regained its independence (from the Seleucids) and was allowed to keep much of its independence, as a "civitas foederata", when the area became a Roman province in 64 BC. Tyre continued to maintain much of its commercial importance until the Christian era.

DrZomboss · Sep 3, 2014

Sassanid 2nd UHV doesn't check AT ALL!

EDIT: Running Arabia from 320 BC :crazyeye:

and they start with the settler in Siberia between mountains

Tigranes · Sep 3, 2014

All the late civs have the same problem. Waited for ~1 hour to start Chalukyas after 500 turns of AI developing India only to find a unit in a mountains.

CrossRFC · Sep 4, 2014

srpt said:

here it is:

Spoiler :

Code:

		## EMPIRE ##
		print "EMPIRE"
		# balance of core and empire populations, mitigated by courthouses and civics
		
		iEmpireRating = 0
		bExiled = True
		for regionID in utils.getCoreRegions(iCiv):
			if (utils.checkRegionOwnedCity(iPlayer, regionID)): 
				bExiled = False
			if not (utils.checkRegionControl(iPlayer, regionID)):
				iEmpireRating -= 3
				print "core province not controlled"
		if bExiled:
			print "Exiled"
			if utils.getYear() > tFall[iCiv]:
				self.terminalCrisis(iPlayer, iCiv, pPlayer, pTeam)
			else:
				iEmpireRating -= 6
				
		iCorePop = 0
		iEmpirePop = 0
		for pLoopCity in apCityList:
			if not pLoopCity.isNone(): 
				if pLoopCity.GetCy().isCapital():
					iCorePop += pLoopCity.getPopulation() * 3
				else:
					regionID = gc.getMap().plot(pLoopCity.GetCy().getX(),pLoopCity.GetCy().getY()).getRegionID()
					if regionID in utils.getCoreRegions(iCiv) or regionID in utils.getSpecialRegions(iCiv): 
						iCorePop += pLoopCity.getPopulation() * 2
					else: regionID in utils.getNormalRegions(iCiv):
						iFactor = 1
						if not ((iCivicGovernment == iTheocracyCivic) and (pLoopCity.GetCy().isHasReligion(iStateReligion))):
							if iCivicGovernment != iEmpireCivic: iFactor += 1
						if not (iCivicLegal == iBureaucracyCivic):
							iFactor += 1
						if not (pLoopCity.GetCy().getNumRealBuilding(iCourthouse)): 
							iFactor += 1
						if not regionID in utils.getNormalRegions(iCiv):
							iFactor += 1
						iEmpirePop += pLoopCity.getPopulation() * iFactor
			
		print ("iCorePop=", iCorePop, "iEmpirePop=", iEmpirePop)
		
		if iCorePop > iEmpirePop *2: iEmpireRating += 2
		elif iCorePop > iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating += 1
		elif iCorePop *5 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 5
		elif iCorePop *4 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 4
		elif iCorePop *3 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 3
		elif iCorePop *2 < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 2
		elif iCorePop < iEmpirePop: iEmpireRating -= 1
				
		if (pPlayer.getNumCities()) * 2 < (sd.getNumCities(iPlayer)): 
			iEmpireRating -= 3
			print "high city losses"
		elif (pPlayer.getNumCities()) * 3 < (sd.getNumCities(iPlayer)) * 2: 
			iEmpireRating -= 2
			print "med city losses"
		elif pPlayer.getNumCities() < sd.getNumCities(iPlayer): 
			iEmpireRating -= 1
			print "some losses"
		
		print ("iEmpireRating=", iEmpireRating)

in plain english:

multiply capital population by 3
multiply each core city population by 2
add them up to get your core population

for each periphery city by "x"
"x" starts as 1 and goes up by 1 for:
NOT having a courthouse
NOT being in Empire or Theocracy (with state religion in the city) civic
NOT being in your border provinces
add them up to get your periphery population

the city losses part compares the number of cities you have now to the maximum number you ever had. you get a -1 to -3 based on how many cities you've lost.

Small clarification: the periphy pop is actually:

for each periphery city take the population of said city multiplied by "x" for
"x" = 1 and goes up by 1 for:
NOT having a courthouse
NOT being in Empire or Theocracy (with state religion in the city) civic
NOT being in your border provinces
and add them up to get your periphery population

EDIT:

as for the late civ spawns from 320 BC start, it's perhaps because that civ slot is being occupied by an AI civ such as Xiongnu

srpt · Sep 4, 2014

Sorindafabico said:
The third Sassanid UHV requirement (legendary culture) isn't being checked.

DrZomboss said:
Sassanid 2nd UHV doesn't check AT ALL!
EDIT: Running Arabia from 320 BC and they start with the settler in Siberia between mountains

Tigranes said:
All the late civs have the same problem. Waited for ~1 hour to start Chalukyas after 500 turns of AI developing India only to find a unit in a mountains.

all Sassanid goals check properly in my version

if you had python exceptions enabled I would be able to tell you why the late civs in 320BC are messed up

Tigranes · Sep 4, 2014

I meant different problem. Just load any late civ from 320 BC. Chalukyas for example. You will see what I mean. Same with Arabs. Never claimed anything about Sassanids.

CrossRFC · Sep 4, 2014

320 BC; Han China having a great deal of trouble expanding to their full extent (I even see them having trouble securing their core)

Edit: Xiongnu have no adjective: TXT_KEY_XIONGNU_ADJECTIVE

Sorindafabico · Sep 5, 2014

srpt said:
all Sassanid goals check properly in my version

I use the last regular download. SVN version never worked here

DrZomboss · Sep 6, 2014

srpt said:
all Sassanid goals check properly in my version

Well I use SVN and the 2nd one doesn't work

Sitalkas · Sep 6, 2014

Recently AI Rome seems to be really bad.

Though they start expanding to their historical areas really fast, there is a point that this expansion stops and their enemies push them back.

I have played games as the Bactrians, the Tocharians, Gojoseon and the Pandyans, so I have little or none communication with the west. In all these games, Romans hold only the southern part of Italy, and a few other cities around the Mediterranean (usualy Sicily, Rhodes and Cyprus). The northern part of Italy is always conquered by the Celts while the Parthians reach as far as Greece and Egypt.

The Romans also have significantly less units than their enemies, some times only an archer is defending their cities; The Partian army - full of their UUs and catapults - is usually conquering 1-2 cities per turn!

~~Finally they seem to park slaves in cities, instead of using them to rush buildings, or building improvements around the map or joining cities.~~ The last is a general AI phenomenon, AI never join slaves in cities

DrZomboss · Sep 6, 2014

The Arabian conquest UHV doesn't work either... and fyi Kapisa spot is named "City"

CrossRFC · Sep 6, 2014

Sitalkas said:
Recently AI Rome seems to be really bad.

Though they start expanding to their historical areas really fast, there is a point that this expansion stops and their enemies push them back.

I have played games as the Bactrians, the Tocharians, Gojoseon and the Pandyans, so I have little or none communication with the west. In all these games, Romans hold only the southern part of Italy, and a few other cities around the Mediterranean (usualy Sicily, Rhodes and Cyprus). The northern part of Italy is always conquered by the Celts while the Parthians reach as far as Greece and Egypt.

The Romans also have significantly less units than their enemies, some times only an archer is defending their cities; The Partian army - full of their UUs and catapults - is usually conquering 1-2 cities per turn!

Finally they seem to park slaves in cities, instead of using them to rush buildings, or building improvements around the map or joining cities. The last is a general AI phenomenon, AI never join slaves in cities

I've played similar civs recently and also noticed this behaviour, except for the slave part which I cannot confirm.

Sitalkas · Sep 7, 2014

Indeed, I will correct it. After some turns I saw their slaves building improvements. But I still doubt if they use them to join cities

Samani · Sep 7, 2014

I've play a game as Kalinka. 7 turns after starting, an army of 5 war elephants and some spearmans attacked Singaphura, which were only defended by 2 spearmans and chariot. It's very hard to resist to Mauryan's attack, even when rushing spearmans.

Tigranes · Sep 7, 2014

Does AI start with 5 Elephants? Human Maurya only has 2.

Samani · Sep 8, 2014

Here are picks from the game, I re-try a game with not rush on spearmans, just dev, like in my first game.

Spoiler :

Just note that it's realistic; Kalinka loose, and Asoka win...

srpt · Sep 8, 2014

rev 224

fixed Dunhuang

fixed Kapisa

gave Kalinka 1 more spearman at spawn. yes they are tough but I think if you spam spearman and axemen you can withstand the Mauryans attack. I tried them a few times and never saw any elephants beyond the 2 starting. no idea where the others came from in your game. it could have been a malfunction of the code that gives free elephants to a civ that trades a city to an India civ that has ivory. (this is to represent the treaty between the Seleucids and the Mauryans) I can't see how that could happen though since the Mauryans would have to trade a city to the Pandyans and they don't have ivory.

hopefully I will have time to investigate the Roman AI performance soon.

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