RFC Epic/Marathon
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binTravkin
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I just downloaded latest version and tried it out with Persia on Marathon.
It's turn 441 (100-somethings AD) and my inflation is 25%, which is 49/month gross or almost as much as I pay for civics. and half of my city upkeep.
I understand that inflation is an arbitrary mechanismus to slow down the late game (as research really gets fast then), however both the percentage and the time when it kicks in is neither "late-game" nor "slowing down" (I'd call it "crippling").
Please do something with it in a historically plausible way.
Current offset of 360 turns is implausible as no one has currency then (how would inflation happen with barter economics?) and doesn't work to solve problems "late-game" (it's barely AD).
If we were to stick to Rhye's original dates and speeds it would look like:
Offset: 120 * 1500 (epic turn count) / 350 (original RFC turn count) = 515
Rate: 45% / (1500 / 350) = 11% (the formula is likely more complex, but 23% doesn't seem to make sense).
Can someone help to work out the correct details for it at least to scale up from RFC correctly?
It's turn 441 (100-somethings AD) and my inflation is 25%, which is 49/month gross or almost as much as I pay for civics. and half of my city upkeep.
I understand that inflation is an arbitrary mechanismus to slow down the late game (as research really gets fast then), however both the percentage and the time when it kicks in is neither "late-game" nor "slowing down" (I'd call it "crippling").
Please do something with it in a historically plausible way.
Current offset of 360 turns is implausible as no one has currency then (how would inflation happen with barter economics?) and doesn't work to solve problems "late-game" (it's barely AD).
If we were to stick to Rhye's original dates and speeds it would look like:
Offset: 120 * 1500 (epic turn count) / 350 (original RFC turn count) = 515
Rate: 45% / (1500 / 350) = 11% (the formula is likely more complex, but 23% doesn't seem to make sense).
Can someone help to work out the correct details for it at least to scale up from RFC correctly?
embryodead
Caliph
I see no reason why PyScenario wouldn't work with 1.22 if it works with 1.21.
embryodead
Caliph
RFC turn count is 500, not 350, and if you use that, you get offset of -360. I don't recall why inflationpercent was increased from 15% (not 11%) to 23%, looks like some balancing after another person suggested inflation was too low
Try changing it to 15% and see how it plays.binTravkin
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It's not balanced with 23%.
Try running the turkish.
It goes up like crazy - from 2% to 21% in a mere 100 turns (turn 643->743).
In that progression inflation would be 150%+ by the end of game.
The "linear" way of scaling would be 45->30->15.
Also, there is a problem with inflation offset.
If you start on 3000BC, it will start on turn 360/240/120, which is WAY too early and is contrary to intention of this arbitrary parameter.
If you start on 600AD, it will start on 632/424/216, which is probably on time (right after the spawn of Dutch).
As I understand, the original intention was to have the inflation work just in the 600AD scenario, because it seemingly has not been tested in the 3000BC scenario.
I think the way this should be solved instead is changing the tech costs for later techs OR adding tech penalties (which could also reflect on cost) in some conditions (roughly matching the late-game speedup).
This should be possible in DLL/Python and would be a much more elegant solution.
This can be solved in several ways from very simple (add a year-dependent multiplier in tech cost formula) to very complicated.
Try running the turkish.
It goes up like crazy - from 2% to 21% in a mere 100 turns (turn 643->743).
In that progression inflation would be 150%+ by the end of game.
The "linear" way of scaling would be 45->30->15.
Also, there is a problem with inflation offset.
If you start on 3000BC, it will start on turn 360/240/120, which is WAY too early and is contrary to intention of this arbitrary parameter.
If you start on 600AD, it will start on 632/424/216, which is probably on time (right after the spawn of Dutch).
As I understand, the original intention was to have the inflation work just in the 600AD scenario, because it seemingly has not been tested in the 3000BC scenario.
I think the way this should be solved instead is changing the tech costs for later techs OR adding tech penalties (which could also reflect on cost) in some conditions (roughly matching the late-game speedup).
This should be possible in DLL/Python and would be a much more elegant solution.
This can be solved in several ways from very simple (add a year-dependent multiplier in tech cost formula) to very complicated.
G-Max
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As long as tech multipliers are being dicked around with, they should be 150 for epic and 300 for Marathon, just like in regular Civ IV. If this causes problems, then perhaps the total number of turns on epic and marathon speeds should be changed (as much work as that would be to rebalance everything else)
hi guys,
so i splilled some water on my old laptop and went out to get a new one, telling the sales rep 'just make sure i can play civ4 on it'
so i got a samsung fancy laptop, a6 vision amd, quad core radeon dual graphics, windows 7
but now my rfc marathon crashes...
i bough a civ 4 'complete edition', which includes civ 4, warlords, bts, and colonization all on one disc, as this was the only version of civ 4 i could find
i patched bts (3.19)
deleted the old rfc folder
downloaded the latest marathon rfc 1.22
but when i go to 'load a mod' and choose the rfc marathon from the list, it exits the game screen, showing my desktop,shows my icon thinking, and then does nothing, and then around 10secs later my screen flashes for a sec and nothing happens
i just bought this a month ago from bestbuy so i had some of the geeks look at it and they say everything should be compatible, bts works and all the other mods, so it must be the rfc marathon mod that isnt compatible with my fancy new laptop.
please help, ive spent 8 hrs and 2 different best buys and all my computer buddies cant figure it out.
has this happend to anyone else? i cant even play basic rfc on this laptop either...
look forward to your responses/ finally playing rfc marathon again !!!!!!
so i splilled some water on my old laptop and went out to get a new one, telling the sales rep 'just make sure i can play civ4 on it'
so i got a samsung fancy laptop, a6 vision amd, quad core radeon dual graphics, windows 7
but now my rfc marathon crashes...
i bough a civ 4 'complete edition', which includes civ 4, warlords, bts, and colonization all on one disc, as this was the only version of civ 4 i could find
i patched bts (3.19)
deleted the old rfc folder
downloaded the latest marathon rfc 1.22
but when i go to 'load a mod' and choose the rfc marathon from the list, it exits the game screen, showing my desktop,shows my icon thinking, and then does nothing, and then around 10secs later my screen flashes for a sec and nothing happens
i just bought this a month ago from bestbuy so i had some of the geeks look at it and they say everything should be compatible, bts works and all the other mods, so it must be the rfc marathon mod that isnt compatible with my fancy new laptop.
please help, ive spent 8 hrs and 2 different best buys and all my computer buddies cant figure it out.
has this happend to anyone else? i cant even play basic rfc on this laptop either...
look forward to your responses/ finally playing rfc marathon again !!!!!!
Really nothing that should be able to crash your laptop (i.e. graphical additions) are included in RFC E/M, so maybe you just had problems with the installation?
Have you been able to run any other RFC mod that has epic/marathon speed? I think all of them build on RFC E/M so if they run, this mod should too.
Have you been able to run any other RFC mod that has epic/marathon speed? I think all of them build on RFC E/M so if they run, this mod should too.
Thanks for your reply,
No I can't play any rhyes mod on my new laptop,
Can you give me very detailed step by step instructions on how to upgrade my BTS and download the latest rhyes mod (basic)?
Once a basic rhyes is working then I ll try the marathon rhyes
Btw when I download the 3.19 patch for BTS, if I go back to see if there are upgrades available it still says YES DOWNLOAD 3.19 is available, so another question is DO I have to take any further steps once I download the 3.19 patch such as unzipping or does it automatically upgrade once the patch is totally finished downloading?
Thanks for your help guys, the more replies the better!!!
No I can't play any rhyes mod on my new laptop,
Can you give me very detailed step by step instructions on how to upgrade my BTS and download the latest rhyes mod (basic)?
Once a basic rhyes is working then I ll try the marathon rhyes
Btw when I download the 3.19 patch for BTS, if I go back to see if there are upgrades available it still says YES DOWNLOAD 3.19 is available, so another question is DO I have to take any further steps once I download the 3.19 patch such as unzipping or does it automatically upgrade once the patch is totally finished downloading?
Thanks for your help guys, the more replies the better!!!
haha!
thank you so much leoreth
yes downloading the patch from the forum was the solution
thanks so much
i havnt played civ in 8 months as ive been busy starting my own business
my brother kept me up to date with his game and it finally pulled me back in so i decided to get back into civ
ive spent the last 10 hrs trying to get the marathon mod to work, neglecting my business, haha
im gonna play right now!
ps whats the difference between 'locked' and 'unlockded' - anybody have a strong opnion one way or the other?
thank you so much leoreth
yes downloading the patch from the forum was the solution
thanks so much
i havnt played civ in 8 months as ive been busy starting my own business
my brother kept me up to date with his game and it finally pulled me back in so i decided to get back into civ
ive spent the last 10 hrs trying to get the marathon mod to work, neglecting my business, haha
im gonna play right now!
ps whats the difference between 'locked' and 'unlockded' - anybody have a strong opnion one way or the other?
When Firaxis included RFC into BtS, they were worried that the long loading times would reflect poorly on their on work (which was pretty stupid if you ask me), so they asked Rhye to disable the late civs. These are the "locked" scenarios. Rhye then made scenarios where all civs are playable available as "unlocked", too. The scenarios are completely identical otherwise, so you can safely discard the locked scenarios.
mynystry
jaguar warrior from hell
Wow, I was looking for something like this! Thanks Embryo, I hope I have time this weekend to try your mod and then give some feedback! 
embryodead
Caliph
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That being said, you should probably try a different RFC mod, RFC: Dawn of Civilization, instead. It includes Epic/Marathon mode and much more.