RFC Europe map development thread

[D. Zavoevatell]

Úmarth-
I know it's hard to believe but I've found a fault with your utility.
When you try to import something, every city's coordinates are shifted over one square. Thus, if you have a city and its coordinates and you import it, the coordinates for the city will be the 0,n and there will be a blank city name with the correct coordinates at N,n next in the list.
This is preventing me from updating the England settler map file!
What a scandal, no?

-Джереми Завоеватель

 

[jessiecat]

I'll take that advice right away! And don't worry about the typ-oes, none of those persist in the settlermap file. Of course, I will correct them to prevent confusion and to save my reputation.
Also, I'm thinking Lancaster instead of another Chester? Your call.

Edit: Okay, I've totally updated England. Every tile now has a city, and there is an excel.

Thanks for fixing that for me. Actually I agree with you about excel. What I do is map out the area on a sheet of squared graph paper, put everything on it then transfer to the excel. It's pretty fast and I can easily see what I'm doing.
I've looked at your England map and I think both Lancaster and Chester should stay right where you put them, as they were both pretty important. However there are a couple of changes I could suggest if I may:

Replace the top Limerick sq. with Galway.
Swindon should be east of Bath
It should be Penzance-Truro-Plymouth (left to right)
" " " Carlisle- Kelso -Durham " " "
and it should be Kings Lynn instead of Stamford

Apart from that, nice job IMO.

 

[ijnavy]

OK, here it is. I'm glad you agree it will do double duty so I've just called it the Arab settler map. I've covered as far as Toulouse and Massilia in France, all the Med islands and up to Constantinople in the east. There are probably some inconsistences in Iberia with what's been done but the Spain settler map is no longer available in excel, only in array which I can't read. If somebody wants to check it over and fix anything, please feel free then repost your revised version here so we can save it in the wiki files.

Just checked it out. I thought that we were having it the same way as in Rhye's, cities can be built within 2 squares? I looked at the map and there can be more than one Constantinope built it that rule applies.

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

Replace the top Limerick sq. with Galway.
Swindon should be east of Bath
It should be Penzance-Truro-Plymouth (left to right)
" " " Carlisle- Kelso -Durham " " "
and it should be Kings Lynn instead of Stamford

I've made a few changes due to your ideas (although they're not all what you suggested).

Top Limerick --> Galway *67TMA
Plymouth2 --> Truro *67TMA
Stamford --> King's Lynn *85AoME
Newcastle --> Durham *132HotW, *67TMA
Newcastle2 --> Berwick *133HotW, *67TMA
Richmond --> Hexford *133HotW
Dorchester2 --> Corfe *67TMA
Enniskillen --> Armagh *67TMA, *133HotW
Perth2 --> Inverey *67TMA
Reading2 --> Winchester2
Reading --> Windsor2

I couldn't find support for Kelso or Swindon. However, I'm eager to believe you if you can find some. Especially Swindon, since now that Reading's gone it's just repeats.

Apart from that, nice job IMO.

You really only need the right atlases!

Edit: Removed files. See ahead for latest version

 

[Úmarth]

Úmarth-
I know it's hard to believe but I've found a fault with your utility.
When you try to import something, every city's coordinates are shifted over one square. Thus, if you have a city and its coordinates and you import it, the coordinates for the city will be the 0,n and there will be a blank city name with the correct coordinates at N,n next in the list.
This is preventing me from updating the England settler map file!
What a scandal, no?

-Джереми Завоеватель

Oh yes, now I remember... I never actually got round to finishing the import function

Sorry about that.

 

[jessiecat]

Just checked it out. I thought that we were having it the same way as in Rhye's, cities can be built within 2 squares? I looked at the map and there can be more than one Constantinope built it that rule applies.

You're right. But Constantinople and a couple of other pre-built cities are so important from the start that they'll grow quickly to their maximum BFS. So nobody's going to get a chance to build even 3 squares away. Unless they decide to raze Constantinople first. Possible but unlikely, as I'm sure you agree.

 

[jessiecat]

I've made a few changes due to your ideas (although they're not all what you suggested).

Top Limerick --> Galway *67TMA
Plymouth2 --> Truro *67TMA
Stamford --> King's Lynn *85AoME
Newcastle --> Durham *132HotW, *67TMA
Newcastle2 --> Berwick *133HotW, *67TMA
Richmond --> Hexford *133HotW
Dorchester2 --> Corfe *67TMA
Enniskillen --> Armagh *67TMA, *133HotW
Perth2 --> Inverey *67TMA
Reading2 --> Winchester2
Reading --> Windsor2

I couldn't find support for Kelso or Swindon. However, I'm eager to believe you if you can find some. Especially Swindon, since now that Reading's gone it's just repeats.


You really only need the right atlases!

Actually Kelso and Swindon were just attempts to put names inbetween other places. East of Bath should be Chippenham (much better historically). And in the Durham area you should try to fit in Berwick between Durham and Edinbrough if you can. It was important too. Otherwise, we agree.
BTW I'd keep Reading in, W of London, N. of Windsor IMO

 

[st.lucifer]

Great job, guys.

A couple of minor suggestions - for Cornwall, can we drop Truro in favor of Penzance or Plymouth? It may be more geographically accurate, but in terms of historical importance is pretty insignificant.

Also, just a reminder to avoid modern suburbs/exurbs around London in favor of older ciites.

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

There is much to say.

For Úmarth,

The import problem really isn't quite the scandal it may've seemed. However, once it's resolved it will be quite helpful.

For jessiecat,

I already have Berwick, believe it or not , and I decided against both Reading and Chippenham in favor of Devizes. If anyone really objects to that, I can change it, but if not, we should move on to somewhere other than England.

For st. lucifer,

I couldn't care less whether we use Truro or Plymouth2. If you think we should drop it, we shall.

For whom it may pertain,

The attached worldbuilder and excel files are the final versions for England

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

Next, we have Spain.
I have updated the Spain worldbuilder and excel to cover every square. Take a look!
(They are both contained in the zip file)

 

[jessiecat]

Next, we have Spain.
I have updated the Spain worldbuilder and excel to cover every square. Take a look!
(They are both contained in the zip file)

Thanks for that. I'll take a look tomorrow. Sorry I missed Berwick. And the only reason I suggested Chippenham is that it's very historical (King Alfred's court at times) but Devizes is just as good. I don't really mind about Truro or Penzance though Truro is older and has been the Cornish county capitol since Tudor times. At least I didn't suggest where I live. (East Looe ) I'm easy though. Whatever.

I've turned my attentions to units and buildings now. So do you think you could convert my Arab map to array at some point. I'm sure you're better at it than I. I'd appreciate it. Thanks, mate.

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

I've turned my attentions to units and buildings now. So do you think you could convert my Arab map to array at some point? I'm sure you're better at it than I. I'd appreciate it. Thanks, mate.

Sure thing! I still have to patch up Italy and France, but I'll get to it eventually. It's good to hear things are getting done elsewhere (even if I don't keep up with them).

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

Okay everyone! Here we have a filled in version of France!
Say what you will about it, and while you're at it throw Spain a glance.

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

Voilà mappa d'Italia completata!
While you're examining it, feel free to through a glance at France and don't abstain from Spain

 

[jessiecat]

Voilà mappa d'Italia completata!
While you're examining it, feel free to through a glance at France and don't abstain from Spain

Just had a look at Spain. Looks fine to me. Though just above San Sebastian and Pamplona
I would add Irun-Irun-Pau. The other maps look great as well. Thanks for the rhymes too.

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

Just had a look at Spain. Looks fine to me. Though just above San Sebastian and Pamplona
I would add Irun-Irun-Pau.

When you first mentioned Irun I thought you meant Pamplona (whose Basque name is Iruña). Of course, I looked and I now know you meant Irún. I'd never heard of Irún, so I didn't include it. I did recognize your point for making a clear line as the edge of Spain, however, so to fit with the France map, I added Biarriz (Spanish name of Biarritz), Biarriz, and Pau. Sound okay? If you're really attached to Irún, it's hardly verboden.

Thanks for the rhymes too.

My pleasure! I'm glad you liked 'em


And for all you readers out there who've kept silent so far! (That means you!) Take a look at this compilation of what we've got so far and comment on it! It's a regular amalgamation, gallimaufry, compendium, anthology, etc., etc., of the settlermaps! (Perfect for that special someone!)

 

[st.lucifer]

Thanks again for doing all of these. I was just looking through them again, and the only suggestion for improvement that came to mind was replacing Rochester2 in England with Canterbury. Not a bad bit of work.


Given that I seem to have misplaced Dijon a couple of tiles N, does it make more sense for us to have Burgundy start at Lyon as their capital, with Dijon (3 tiles N of Lyon, a small modification) flipping on turn 2?

 

[D. Zavoevatell]

improvement that came to mind was replacing Rochester2 in England with Canterbury

Done

Given that I seem to have misplaced Dijon a couple of tiles N, does it make more sense for us to have Burgundy start at Lyon as their capital, with Dijon (3 tiles N of Lyon, a small modification) flipping on turn 2?

¡Ay caramba! What don't you like about Dijon? I think you should keep Dijon and have Lyon flip! Why, Lyon has never been a part of Burgundy, let alone her capital! Then again, I say this only because Dijon is all I've ever known as opposed to because it is or is not strategically better.

Not a bad bit of work.

Indeed no!

 

[onedreamer]

I want to help with the italian stuff but I need to know where to download that base spreadsheet for settler map, I am unable to find the wiki for this project >_>


edit: had not seen Zavoevatell posted the italian map. I'll check that one then and post feedback.
edit2: question, in the excel map is Sicily updated with the 2 tiles west ?

 

[Úmarth]

Here is the wiki page:
http://wikirhye.wikidot.com/rhyes-of-europe