RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[AbsintheRed]

Just stepping in to second 3Miro's comment on that. Bulgaria was highly developed during their First Empire until roughly 1000 AD, both culturally and militarily. Basil II isn't among the most well known Byzantine Emperors for conquering an "insignificant kingdom", but rather for accomplishing the unlikely feat of uniting the disorganized, so-called "great Byzantine Civilization" and turning a not improbable defeat into a complete victory.

Yep, also agreed with 3Miro
Bulgaria should be powerful during both the First and Second Bulgarian Empire
They should be a serious threat to Byzantium in both cases

Between the 2 Bulgarian Empires and after the Second one they should be much weaker though.
The best would be if some of their outer cities would flip during this, so we should change all of their non-core provinces unstable for those years.

PS:
@kochman: that greedy fellow was not german, but hungarian

 

[AbsintheRed]

Between the 2 Bulgarian Empires and after the Second one they should be much weaker though.
The best would be if some of their outer cities would flip during this, so we should change all of their non-core provinces unstable for those years.

Even if they collapse after the First Bulgarian Empire due to bad stability in a few cases, it's not a problem.
We should add a likely respawn date around 1185-90 (Ivan Asev)

 

[3Miro]

Even if they collapse after the First Bulgarian Empire due to bad stability in a few cases, it's not a problem.
We should add a likely respawn date around 1185-90 (Ivan Asev)

That is already in the code, sedna put it in the Alphas if not earlier.

 

[kochman]

PS:
@kochman: that greedy fellow was not german, but hungarian

That's right, you are correct... I forgot.
Well, I guess Hungary paid the price for that in the future...

 

[Leoreth]

Again, it didn't really matter.

 

[AlistairMac]

hay all im having a bit of an issue with rfce crashing lots like every 10-15 turns.
im really liking playing it tho (playing it on bts 3.19)

 

[3Miro]

hay all im having a bit of an issue with rfce crashing lots like every 10-15 turns.
im really liking playing it tho (playing it on bts 3.19)

Other people are reporting similar behavior on low end graphics machines. What is your graphics card?

Next version will hopefully contain a "light" version for people with weaker video cards.

 

[AlistairMac]

forget my last post im downloading beta 6 as i type

geforce 9600 gt

ps i was disappointed not to find a Scottish civ in this mod i think it might of added some depth to the north west of the map

 

[The Turk]

All of Moesia was Byzantine until Khan Asparuh made his country there in 680AD. From that point on, there was almost constant expansion (Krum and Simeon were just the most notable names). As for the Second Bulgarian Empire, here are some references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Asen_I_of_Bulgaria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaloyan_of_Bulgaria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Asen_II_of_Bulgaria

(note that during the reign of Kaloyan and Ivan Asen II there was no Byzantium, hence you cannot learn about them from Byzantine textbooks)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Alexander_of_Bulgaria

(the sons of that last one broke Bulgaria into three leading to an easy conquest for the Turks, but Alexander himself was strong)

Ok, well those people are not well known because they never threatened Byzantium at all. The reason we know Khan Krum and Tsar Simeon so well, is because they actually threatened the eternal city. And as for the other strong Bulgarian leaders, it seems they only arose when Constantinople was under control from the Crusaders.

This is not SoI, we represent Europe here, meaning that nations like Russia, Turkey and the Arabs will have a skewed representation. We don't represent Russia - Kazan wars, we don't represent the Arab-Egyptian wars and so on. We concentrate on the Arab-European wars (Byzantines and Crusaders), we concentrate on the Russian - Swedish - Polish - Lithuanian (as opposed to the conquest of Siberia) wars and we represent the Ottoman conquest of South-Eastern Europe (as opposed to the conquest of Arabia).

Yes of course I know that!
But I would like to see more European events in general. You said you couldn't break Arabia, so I'm telling you a possible way you can do it. You should consider therefore adding in more barbs, and having Arabia collapse sooner into separate independent states. You could have a weaker Arabia respawn (coded in) in Egypt, which would not be as strong. Thats my suggestion, nothing more nothing less.

 

[3Miro]

Ok, well those people are not well known because they never threatened Byzantium at all. The reason we know Khan Krum and Tsar Simeon so well, is because they actually threatened the eternal city. And as for the other strong Bulgarian leaders, it seems they only arose when Constantinople was under control from the Crusaders.

Asen I lead the successful rebellion ten years before the Crusaders and Kaloyan is very famous among Crusader historians, just not Byzantine ones. Ivan Asen II did make two attempts to take Constantinople from the Crusaders. Ivan Alexander died right before the Ottoman invasion. At any rate, the Second Bulgarian Empire was a superpower in the region.

Yes of course I know that!
But I would like to see more European events in general. You said you couldn't break Arabia, so I'm telling you a possible way you can do it. You should consider therefore adding in more barbs, and having Arabia collapse sooner into separate independent states. You could have a weaker Arabia respawn (coded in) in Egypt, which would not be as strong. Thats my suggestion, nothing more nothing less.

If we strengthen the Crusades, Arabia should collapse. We can then code the respawn in Egypt.

 

[FakeShady]

Ah, bon! Finally some positive attention on Byzantium!

The problem with Bulgaria is that when they are too strong, and they already are, they almost always gobbles up Constantinople. IF that is okay with you guys, you might also be interested to know that a strong Bulgaria almost always hinders the growth of Venice and Hungary. As was observed in Beta 5.

Yes it is my sincere belief that had it not been for that greedy Hungarian guy the Ottomans would never have taken this city

 

[yogiebere]

hay all im having a bit of an issue with rfce crashing lots like every 10-15 turns.
im really liking playing it tho (playing it on bts 3.19)

Yeah I was having similar issues, lots of crashes (usually when I was moving workers oddly). But now with beta 6 I haven't had as many issues not sure why...

 

[AbsintheRed]

That's right, you are correct... I forgot.
Well, I guess Hungary paid the price for that in the future...

Yes it is my sincere belief that had it not been for that greedy Hungarian guy the Ottomans would never have taken this city

Agreed
Worst decision ever

 

[Leoreth]

I love the Byzantine civilization as well, but it just seems they are usually way overestimated by everyone.

Ok, well those people are not well known because they never threatened Byzantium at all. The reason we know Khan Krum and Tsar Simeon so well, is because they actually threatened the eternal city. And as for the other strong Bulgarian leaders, it seems they only arose when Constantinople was under control from the Crusaders.

How should they threaten Byzantium at all, when it didn't exist at that time?
Quite abviously the resurgence of the Second Empire was furthered by Byzantium's collapse after the fourth crusade, but that's kind of an unfair argument because all of Byzantium's successes were for lucky external factors as well (the Komnenian resurgence wouldn't have worked without the crusades, for instance).

Ah, bon! Finally some positive attention on Byzantium!

The problem with Bulgaria is that when they are too strong, and they already are, they almost always gobbles up Constantinople. IF that is okay with you guys, you might also be interested to know that a strong Bulgaria almost always hinders the growth of Venice and Hungary. As was observed in Beta 5.

Yes it is my sincere belief that had it not been for that greedy Hungarian guy the Ottomans would never have taken this city

Sincere belief or not, the cannon didn't accomplish anything.

Imo, it is fine for the Bulgarians to sometimes conquer Constantinople. They came close to it a few times, so there should be this alt-history possibility. It's not like it's only the Ottomans who have the magic ability to defeat them. But I'm worried that Bulgaria defeats them too often as well.

 

[Opera]

I agree with Leoreth, a bit of alt-history is good as well. Having a powerful Bulgarian Empire oppose the Turks would be nice sometimes.

Anyway, I have an issue in the latest rev. For some reason, it seems stability doesn't work anymore. I started a game as the Arabs and it all worked fine. I launched my savegame today and stability doesn't work anymore (throwing python exceptions each turn about "rfcestab" not being defined). I looked into the python files and it seems that would only happen if the setup() part of Stability.py never took place, but I don't understand why it wouldn't.

 

[3Miro]

Anyway, I have an issue in the latest rev. For some reason, it seems stability doesn't work anymore. I started a game as the Arabs and it all worked fine. I launched my savegame today and stability doesn't work anymore (throwing python exceptions each turn about "rfcestab" not being defined). I looked into the python files and it seems that would only happen if the setup() part of Stability.py never took place, but I don't understand why it wouldn't.

Just like savegames are usually not compatible between different Beta versions, savegames are often incompatible between different svn revisions. If you update to the latest SVN version, you should always start a new game.

On another note, with the return of the Theodosian walls, Bulgaria doesn't take Constantinople (at least I have not seen it, so if it happens it is rare).

 

[Opera]

No, I didn't update between. I update yesterday, then played a bit, then saved and went to sleep. I went back to my saved game today and stability wasn't working anymore. I don't remember doing anything with the files though.

 

[3Miro]

No, I didn't update between. I update yesterday, then played a bit, then saved and went to sleep. I went back to my saved game today and stability wasn't working anymore. I don't remember doing anything with the files though.

That is odd, I will investigate.

 

[Jusos2108]

Sincere belief or not, the cannon didn't accomplish anything

That is correct. During the final assault the Venetians or Lukas Notaras opened the Kerkoporta attacking gate to the Ottomans, who poured over the city from there.

 

[FakeShady]

EDIT: i love Austria's music! Someone tell me the name of it? Its soooo familiar but i just couldnt give a name to it...

No one's gonna tell me what Austria's music is? Im a big classical fan, i need to know but i cant possibly go through all of Mozart's works...