RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[Duke of Awesome]

maybe we could put the sub-Saharan "resource" near Morocco and near Egypt. we could put the silk road in the Levant and Anatolia and maybe the Crimean peninsula? or maybe Cyprus? idk i want one of those resources to be available to the Mediterranean as well.

 

[The Turk]

maybe we could put the sub-Saharan "resource" near Morocco and near Egypt. we could put the silk road in the Levant and Anatolia and maybe the Crimean peninsula? or maybe Cyprus? idk i want one of those resources to be available to the Mediterranean as well.

THATS EXACTLY what I wanted to do, sorry for not specifying earlier:
Sub-Saharan African Trade: somewhere in Morocco and another one near Egypt

Silk Road Trade: one near Damascus another at the edge of the map in Eastern Anatolia (so it can be pillaged easily by the Mongols/Seljuks etc)

Indian Ocean Trade: Just one in the Red Sea should be fine, and you need to build a workboat to reach it, and improve it.

These are open to debate, I'm just giving my point of view, where they should be placed and how many there should be, those details we can figure out together, we just need a RFC Europe mod leader to do the coding

 

[Allan79]

I find it very hard to keep the spanish under my foot as the cordobans. in my resent game they respawn 3 times nearly flipping all of my cities every time. what was really hard to fight against. So it may be easy to knock em out in the first place, but they are really hard to control. Maybe I just picked the wrong way keep them in control. I managed though to get my UHV but it was hard work and a lot of fun.

 

[AdrienIer]

Actually, I've been looking at the spawn and respawn maps lately, and the respawn map for Cordoba is north Africa (Morocco and western Algeria). They would just need a better respawn chance.

 

[kochman]

@ The Turk...
You are really starting to sound like a broken record.
You don't have to post your ideas 100 times until they are accepted, which has been your modus operandi for some time now.

We get it, we know what you want.
None of the modders have chimed in one way or the other, give them a chance to weigh in already.

 

[The Turk]

@ The Turk...
You are really starting to sound like a broken record.
You don't have to post your ideas 100 times until they are accepted, which has been your modus operandi for some time now.

We get it, we know what you want.
None of the modders have chimed in one way or the other, give them a chance to weigh in already.

LOL and here is Kochman, to counterbalance me. But yes you are right, I did feel like I was repeating myself a bit too much, (just check out the RFC Asia thread, I had to explain myself 4 times, for them to understand me *palms on face*)

But sorry for taking up so much room, I just wanted everyone to understand my idea, and it seemed that some people had either questions or didn't understand something I said, so I repeated myself, but anyways, I think my last explanation was good enough

 

[Hamir]

Been trying to play England on Emperor. All i can say is barbs & stability are combining to kick my arse!

 

[micbic]

Err....maybe because it is Emperor? #SoundsLikeAJobWellDone

 

[civ_king]

On the civic Colonialism does it mean completing a colony project or a city at certain distance?

 

[Duke of Awesome]

probably means building the colony "wonders"

 

[micbic]

Colonial project, otherwise a Russian conquest in Poland would be considered a colonialism act

 

[civ_king]

Colonial project, otherwise a Russian conquest in Poland would be considered a colonialism act

Well the Third Reich thought they were colonizing land uninhabited by humans when they conquered Poland

 

[micbic]

OMG, didn't know it specifically, though it was to be expected from this highly respected culture, however, we have gone a bit

 

[civ_king]

OMG, didn't know it specifically, though it was to be expected from this highly respected culture, however, we have gone a bit

Orthodoxy and Protestantism need to be nerfed or Islam and Catholicism need major buffing

Orthodoxy allows infinite empire sprawl and Protestantism allows cheap techs and super fast projects

I'll try to break them with France tomorrow

 

[micbic]

Rather the former; I would go for some minimal religion roleplay (nerfing some) rather than some maximal.

 

[The Turk]

Although I do strongly agree with you civ_king, I think the Orthodox power is needed, because all the Empires that end up being (or that SHOULD get Orthodox Religion), large empires, especially in the case of Byzantium and th Russian principalities. I think what really needs to happen though, is have Protestantism nerffed, in the sense that they should not get such a strong scientific bonus, its not like Protestant countries, were more advanced than Catholic ones, in fact Martin Luther rejected pretty much all the scientific theories that were also rejected by the Catholic Church, so I would have to say that their techs should be perhaps "cheaper", but not by SO much, and I don't even understand why they should get faster projects? Is it because of England and Holland?

 

[kochman]

I think what really needs to happen though, is have Protestantism nerffed, in the sense that they should not get such a strong scientific bonus, its not like Protestant countries, were more advanced than Catholic ones, in fact Martin Luther rejected pretty much all the scientific theories that were also rejected by the Catholic Church, so I would have to say that their techs should be perhaps "cheaper", but not by SO much, and I don't even understand why they should get faster projects? Is it because of England and Holland?

Or Germany? Or Scandinavia?
This really is an odd post, and seems a bit under informed on the subject.
First off, Luther doesn't represent Protestantism. He was an important figure that started the Reformation, sure, but Protestantism is much larger than his beliefs. He was a part of Protestantism, Protestantism wasn't a part of him.

The reason for the boost... at least one of them... Protestants allowed women to learn to read (and therefore they were more educated and added to the "brain pool"), whereas in other religions of the time that was pretty much not allowed. Also, with the massive use of the printing press in the north, the exchange of information was more rapid, greater reaching.

Basically, Protestantism led to the empowerment of the individual as opposed to the Catholic empowerment of the group. This led to a huge boom because it opened so many more doors, intellectually speaking, that had only been flirted with before by the likes of Voltaire and Erasmus for example. A whole new philosphy and way of life.
The climax of this was the birth of the USA, which in its earlier days was hugely Protestant, and clearly founded on Protestant principles.

 

[Duke of Awesome]

im pretty sure almost every country in Europe had access to a printing press so that doesnt really make sense. also what you said didnt really explain the faster projects either

 

[kochman]

Printing press was only a part of it... more people reading what was printed helped a lot too...

And, regarding projects:

Protestantism led to the empowerment of the individual

Working harder... prospering on a personal level.

 

[wolfigor]

im pretty sure almost every country in Europe had access to a printing press so that doesnt really make sense. also what you said didnt really explain the faster projects either

One of the main point of the reformation (helped by the printing press) was that people were allowed to read the bible directly without the mediation of priests.
This was a stimulation to research and think with your own brain instead of accepting the word of the institutional church.
In this sense the reformation stimulated the scientific mindset at the base of scientific revolution and later on illuminism.

so, in my view, a scientific bonus for the protestants is justified.



and now something that is a funny timing-condition (if not a bug) connected with th reformation.
What happens if you discover the printing press and decide to follow the reformation, at the same turn as you are allowed to divert a crusade?

I can attack any non-catholic, however that includes my own civ.
I'm Austria and you can see Wien, my capital, as a target for the crusade.