RFC:I - Civ Discussion.

[merijn_v1]

Mexico UHVs:

Have at least 6 hospitals, to avoid spread of the swine flu!!!!!

Or have no pigs and a /-ratio of +5 (or -3) in all cities untill 2000.

 

[dagriggstar]

I don't think Australia should have military based UHV's, considering the only major role it played in a war was WWII in denying the Japanese Papua New Guniea...(So your looking at something around controlling PNG in 1950)

Like the population thing Though maybe a tad earlier than 2000

Vietnam doesn't really work since there's no SE asian civ...

Have a 5 star economy in 2000 ? Since apparently economists think we have a kind of miracle economy...

UP
Power of abundant resources
Each resource controlled counts as 2 resources (ie if you control 2 cows, this has the effect of you have 4 cows)
or
Increased trade routes

UU - ANZAC (Infantry) - negative 50xp needed for promotions

 

[Bonci]

maybe one of the australian UHV's should be something like: don't let japan have colonies in oceania in 1945

I thought (although, again this isn't my best era of history) that the ambitions of Italy early on was the restoration of the Med as a 'Mare Nostrum'.

yep...under fascism this was one of the italian ambitions...so in WW2 they tried to conquer Albania and Greece (epic fail *_*)

 

[merijn_v1]

I
UP
Power of abundant resources
Each resource controlled counts as 2 resources (ie if you control 2 cows, this has the effect of you have 4 cows)
or
Increased trade routes

UU - ANZAC (Infantry) - negative 50xp needed for promotions

UP: The 1st one is WAY too strong. I definitly prefer the 2nd.

UU: An UU should have a bonus. Not a restriction. You can give it double speed. (nice for the deserts)

 

[Mekajiki]

That is a bonus. The bonus is that it takes half as much xp to promote. At least that's my understanding of it. Though it's really oddly formatted, I assume that's what he's trying to say.

 

[dagriggstar]

That is a bonus. The bonus is that it takes half as much xp to promote. At least that's my understanding of it. Though it's really oddly formatted, I assume that's what he's trying to say.

Yea he's got the idea. Works like the charismatic trait in regular civ (-25xp needed to promote)

 

[kairob]

A UU with Amphibious assault would be useful for an island nation...

 

[dagriggstar]

A UU with Amphibious assault would be useful for an island nation...

true but we haven't made alot of amphibious landings...and when we have well errrr...

Gallipoli...

 

[Mekajiki]

Yeah, that's definitely not a trait I would give to an Australian UU. Their amphibious assault success is pretty bad >.>

Maybe Japan? They had a lot of success in their expansion with taking islands and coastal areas. Really, their only success was on islands and coasts pre-getting their asses handed to them by the UN.

 

[kairob]

Japans UP doesnt really need to change.

 

[Mekajiki]

I agree. I'm not really a big fan of changing much from Vanilla unless it's necessary. I was merely pointing out a UU that could be amphibious.

Don't the Vikings have amphibious something or other anyway?

 

[merijn_v1]

That is a bonus. The bonus is that it takes half as much xp to promote. At least that's my understanding of it. Though it's really oddly formatted, I assume that's what he's trying to say.

Sorry, I thought you said it needed 50% more exp. because you said Australia shouldn't have a military unit.

 

[onedreamer]

In bold my proposed changes from Bonci's



Italy

Leaders:
Cavour
Vittorio Emanuele II
Mussolini
note: I couldn't find the end date, so there might be room for more

Spawn Date
1848

UP
Power of the Art:
free artist in every city

UB

no pizza mandolino or football, PLEASE. What about:
Textile Factory, +2 culture
+5% production (or commerce) from wool, cotton and silk.


UU
Bersagliere:
Replaces Rifleman
prod cost 100 (-10)
strength 13 (-1)
starts with mobility, guerrilla I
(no bonus vs cavalry)

UHV
pretty hard without knowing the end date, anyways I think something with culture is due here
1: Be the most cultural civ in 1920 and in ??? (see above about end date).
2: Control 12 (based on current RFC earth map) cities on the mediterranean by 1950.
3a: win at least 5 football world championships.
3b: control X colonies in the world
3c: be the first to discover Radio, Fascism, Fission (I'd propose Ecology as well for an ironical and unachieved goal ).

 

[merijn_v1]

UU
Bersagliere:
Replaces Rifleman
prod cost 100 (-10)
strength 13 (-1)
starts with mobility, guerrilla I
(no bonus vs cavalry)

IMO this is too weak. I propose give it only the the guerilla I as bonus and nothing more or less. And why mobility? You can use that because you always have 1 (or you want to give it 2 and didn't say it in your post)

 

[onedreamer]

that's right, I forgot about it. Then 2 mov might make sense... anyways mobility is the main characteristic of Bersaglieri.

 

[Bonci]

Leaders:
Cavour

umm yeah...not shure if he can be considered a leader...but he shurely had a large role in the italian unification

UP
Power of the Art:
free artist in every city

in first i had the same idea...but then i thought: how many italian artist came AFTER unification? time of patronage was over...

UB
no pizza mandolino or football, PLEASE. What about:
Textile Factory, +2 culture
+5% production (or commerce) from wool, cotton and silk.

hahaha yep pizza and football are stereotypes but we are known in the world for that XD however your proposal is better than mine

UU
Bersagliere:
Replaces Rifleman
prod cost 100 (-10)
strength 13 (-1)
starts with mobility, guerrilla I
(no bonus vs cavalry)

yes this was the third choice
maybe better if only with mobility but with bonus against other riflemen?

UHV
1: Be the most cultural civ in 1920 and in ??? (see above about end date).

good idea

3a: win at least 5 football world championships.

3b: control X colonies in the world

i think in this case it's better my proposal...

3c: be the first to discover Radio, Fascism, Fission (I'd propose Ecology as well for an ironical and unachieved goal ).

this one is very good too

sorry for the lenght

 

[onedreamer]

in first i had the same idea...but then i thought: how many italian artist came AFTER unification? time of patronage was over...

More than one would think at first thought. Italians were at the top in cinema. Some italian songs on the first half of the past century are known in the whole world. Several italian stylists (it's something that contributes to culture after all) are well known worldwide. Several composers as well and some writers, although surely not comparable to the previous centuries, but still. In the arts of painting and sculpting Italy has been lacking from the unification, but consider that these two categories themselves saw a high decline in popularity and results in general, IMHO.

 

[Panopticon]

More than one would think at first thought. Italians were at the top in cinema. Some italian songs on the first half of the past century are known in the whole world. Several italian stylists (it's something that contributes to culture after all) are well known worldwide. Several composers as well and some writers, although surely not comparable to the previous centuries, but still. In the arts of painting and sculpting Italy has been lacking from the unification, but consider that these two categories themselves saw a high decline in popularity and results in general, IMHO.

Agree, Italian film was VERY influential in the mid-20th century.

 

[Bonci]

ummm maybe you are right...probably i am too tied to the old concept of artist XD
but we can't say that italy was better than many other countryes like it was in the renaissance...not enough to justify a UP i think @_@

 

[kairob]

onedreamer, I like your suggestions, in regards to your question the end date will in all probability be 2050, because of this, we could probably have a Leader for the post WWII era, who do you think would be best?