RFC: Rise of the Soviet Union

Alexandertheg8

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The Soviet union.

Mother Russia velcomes you to the epic tale of the development of the greatest nation on the blue, soon to be red, planet. The Union of Soviet socialist republics vas not built overnight, and ve regret it, but the Tsars took control of most of vhat is now the Soviet union...

and so before 1917 I will play the game as a Tsar, with Hereditary rule, serfdom, but after 1917, state property, police state, emancipation!

1000 years of communism!(or less if i am destroyed or conquer the world prematurly) From 1917 to 2917! So before 1917 I must have reached the pacific. Wars with Mongolia and Japan are inevitable for my goal, but china is my friend, they will most likely hate them too. Persia might be a problem if still around, but no threat is more than Germany! I will leave them alone until 1917, but after that, once the five year plans are complete, we capture Berlin and commence the Warsaw pact! (Don't worry i won't substitue all the Ws for Vs in all the posts, that is a one time thing only)

Now all the technical things that i have to mention:
I made some minor alterations to the map, such as adding rivers and moving resources.

In the west Asian republics, two silk resources appear in 1600 to represent cotton, and in Kyrgyzstan a horse and sheep are added to make Bishkek a useful city.

Kazakhstan should have some uranium, as it is a major export of that nation, and a sheep in the desert to represent the livestock cultures of that nation.

Tajikistan is a major producer of aluminum; so that should be represented.

Turkmenistan has two major exports, cotton and oil/natural gas, the Caspian Sea already has oil so it isn’t good to put more, so just cotton. I know that the USSR dug a canal through Turkmenistan that caused the Aral sea to partially dry up, so in 1988 a new river will be created and the aral sea will loose its west most half to desert and the remaining half will loose its north most half leaving the Aral sea with one tile. Then cotton (silk) resources will pop up everywhere that the canal touches. To allow Ashgabat to be built on its actual location (second desert hill from the Aral Sea) an oasis will be put in and then removed when the canal is built. I might just include some of the Soviet Union’s crazy projects in after 1991, just as a what if thing.

Uzbekistan is pretty much represented well.

Russia it self has major coal reserves, even though the game does not represent this (one near the don, the other near Irkutsk) so I’ll add some. Kutnetsk basin is the one region that showed up on Wikipedia so I’ll use that.
I would also like to mention I changed the semi-marsh near Crimea to a wheat because whenever the Ai played russia, they would always build a farm there and the marsh resource without being on a marsh tile looks a lot like wheat, so I have it engrained in my head that that tile is wheat, and any other way is blasphemy. We all have our oddities.

Anyway I suck, so I’ll play on viceroy. The only time I will use world builder is to do the crazy projects, make the initial changes and to check the progress of the other nations, and to make sure Baku stays alive in some way or form. That city gets razed so often, or sometimes is never built. If someone razes it, I will worldbuilder it back in. I don’t want to settle it, I want to conquer it, as the Russians actually did, it I lose it that is fine, but if it gets razed it gets world buildered back in. Baku must stand!

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Permanent alliances are set because I may want to take on china as a friendly communist civ, time victory is off so that the game won’t end just because the Civ programmers say it does. (Mayans 2012, civ programmers think it is 2050, I wonder who will be more right)

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860 AD: the world seems pretty normal, rome is still alive though, constaninople has been razed and Lyon was the holycity, I made a small concession to my no world builder rule to move the Holy city to rome. The good thing is Baku is around, and Persia is gone, the bad thing is Germany is going to settle memel / klaipeda. I would have preferred that they build Konisberg so that I can conquer it late game and have it renamed to Kaliningrad, but you can’t have everything. I think the reason they are settling east so soon is that the French built Aix-la-Chapelle and so are forcing germany to have a more easterly center, which is bad for me.

Anyway it is 860, the rus people settle down on the Volga river, instead of the Dniper as that is the kievan rus, either way we are the Rus! Great people of the limitless frontier! We are Vikings, we are Slavs, does it really matter? For now we are Muscovites! The grand duchy of Moscow begins building a library in order to increase our knowledge of the world, an in doing so allow us to expand our borders. We send settlers north-west, south-west and south-east, the latter is headed to build a city at the strategic position in between the Don and Volga rivers. This will increase our trade network to include the don and Volga valleys, unfortunately the sea of azov is not connected to the black sea and is instead a black hole that all the water of the don river seems to go and never fill in up.

Now a map with the changes.

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Notice wheat near Crimea, no oil in Europe and aluminum 2 tiles south of what it should be. The forts represent future city sites. Normaly I build kiev 1 north of that shown, but since I am doing the USSR, and each of the west Asian republics are represented, even if only 1 tiles separates 3 of them, then Belarus should be represented, so minsk is put in. The actual location is one south west of the fort, but with Memel probably going to be built my germany, it will be way too close so I have to settle for that spot. With that being said, the Baltic states and the Caucasus states are not represented for this reason: they would all be adjacent and that is not possible. So Estonia will be a Leningrad’s fat cross, and the others will be partly in minsk’s and fully represented by Kaliningrad, which will be built after the deciding post revolutionary war with germany that will see Memel razed, and Berlin captured. (Which is pretty historical since Kaliningrad was founded after the soviets occupied east Prussia and deported all the germans and resettled it with Russians. In fact the Baltic states did not become part of the soviet union until world war 2 when the USSR occupied them for “mutual protection” against Germany.) All the Caucasus states are represented by Baku, which is why Baku must stand!

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Notice the whale and fish.

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The highlighted square with a bear on it has a fort on it. Notice the Oil in the desert near the river and the coal near the mountains. You can also see the rivers put in.
East of Novosibirsk the city placement is largely dependant on what the Mongols and Japanese do. The Mongols sometimes build cities for you like Erkhuu (Irkutsk) and Boyajbo. But the exact placement of these tend to differ from game to game so I must be flexible to the placement of cities in the central Siberian plateau.


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Unfortunately Samarkand, will have to be razed to allow 2 lesser cities to be built, Taskent and Dunshabe. Notice the Aluminum in Tajikistan. The uranium and sheep in Kazakhstan, and the Horse and shepp outside Kyrgyzstan. ( that region is actually Kazakhstan but it is closer to Bishkek than to Karaganda .

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Notice the deer, fur and gems have been moved.

Anyway the first cities to be built are Moscow, Stalingrad (carcyn) Kiev (1 south of optimal location) and Minsk (1 north east of actual location) Leningrad will come later.
Leningrad is to be founded around the year 1700 (1703 is actual date)
Murmansk is questionable to found on it actual date, 1915, because the culture from Norway cities and Finnish cities will probably block it before then. They tend to get settled by britian in my Russian games, (germany seems to be blocked from expansion by me so England colonizes it and neglects to build a outside Europe empire) If someone settles near the site I will settle it soon after, if not then it will be around 1900.
Vorkuta has an interesting history of being a forced labour camp, the soviets seemed to like to freeze their undesirables to death, and was built around 1934. Definitly after the revolution, when Stalin takes over, it will be built.
Vladivostok is a goal to found before the actual date of 1859, as opposed to the easy to found cities that I will wait for, for historical reasons.
A historical problem is that the 860 start Rhye has given us is the beginning of the kievan rus, not the grand duchy of Moscow, but some things have to be worked around. In the beginning the nation will be a loose confederation of the rus’s colonies, if Greece can be a civilization based on city states, so can russia! Anyway kiev will be the most powerful city of the empire in the beginning so the kievan rus will be represented in a way.

So far at the moment i can't figure out how to post the pictures in side the psot and can only attach them, after i figure it out i will post them inside the text to make it more convienent for everyone.


Okay I blabbed enough, to this, I leave you:
“Upon founding the city of Moscow and ultimately creating the duchy of Moscow the Rus people could stare in all directions and sea nothing but the vast steppe and the eternal forest. They did not know that one day Moscow would govern from the outlet sea of the Dniper river all the way to a great and vast ocean unknown of. They did not know that one day, their people would lead the world in a new system, the perfect system, the dictatorship of the proletariat. To be fair at that time the proletariat did not exist, the common people were serfs and slaves, but that would change.”
 

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It'd be nice if you could post the screenshots with where they go, and not just as thumbnails. It's annoying to have to get the right screenshot from the list instead of just looking at it.
 
At the moment i don't know how too, becaus ethe last time i did that they all showed boxes with red X's. I uploadeed them to imageshack and then put the link in insert image button with the pictur of the moutains on the yellow backround but it showed up as red X's. So for now it is like that, until i figure out how to do it right.
 
With imageshack, just click on the image in your gallery, hit embed this image, and copy & paste the forum code.
 
At the moment i don't know how to
What you need is the URL (aka the link) to the image, and then to put it inside of [ IMG] and [ /IMG] tags. Of course, the tags won't have spaces in them--I only put the spaces there so that you'd see what they could look like--if I hadn't have put the spaces, then the tags would have been "rendered" and you would not have seen them.

You can grab the link for an uploaded image either from the Manage Attachments pop-up window, where you can right-click on the links to the uploaded files, or from the thumbnails themselves after you have posted your message, by right-clicking on them. The right-click option that you will want to select will say something like "Copy Link Location."

That link then goes in between the IMG] and [ /IMG] tags and can be positioned strategically within your message.

Observe:
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Quote my my message and you'll see how the [ IMG] and [ /IMG] tags appear for the above image.


For more details about how to do it, read this linked message.
 
It'd be nice if you could post the screenshots with where they go, and not just as thumbnails. It's annoying to have to get the right screenshot from the list instead of just looking at it.
I used to do that about 7 months ago :D
 
Ladies and gentleman, if igured out how to post pictures inside posts!

Could your computer handle Civ4 in the late 3rd millenium?
I don't know yet, farthest i've been is the late 22nd century, but in that one their were only about 8 civs left so it ran pretty smoothly.

All the words in Italics are narrations of the history of Tsarist russia by a Soviet, so it will reference some communist ideals, so the views expressed by the soviets are not condoned or criticized by the author of the story, they are mearly done in a role playing sense.

Okay, the beginings of Russia was from the kievan rus, and the reason moscow become more important was because of the mongols, now i am not doing an exact hsitory fo russia, so i am not going to try to purpopsly get conquered by the mongols, so this is an alternate history with the same long term result. This is a small update on how the kievan rus turned into the Tsardom.

“Shortly after the foundation of Moskva many more rus cities sprang up and by far the most powerful was Kiev, the capital of the constituent republic of Ukraine. Minsk, the capital of the constituent republic of Belarus, was founded by the kievans, along with carcyn. Shortly after the beginnings of cow and horse ranching around moskva, the city itself became part of the kievan federation. The Holy roman empire was to the west of these cities and the administration center for the federation was moved to Moskva because it was farther away from these Holy Romans, and because it would be more central to the future domain of the Rus, that intended to extend northward into the forests and eastwards along the steppe, and so Moskva became the capital of the Rus federation.”

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“Some time after the year 1000 the Rus made contact with the kingdom of England. More knowledge was spread to the Rus people in exchange for the plunder of the Vikings, some of which came from England. Shortly after this the serfs were organized into a civil service capable of larger scale projects like irrigation in the time they did not need to be on the farm laboring for their masters. During that time the only thing that kept the serfs from revolting was the distraction of religion imposed on them by the kings of the federation. Christianity spread from the Holy Roman Empire and some of the priests wanting to learn more of their religion went to Rome, thereby establishing contact with the Ancient Roman Empire, and learning tales of an emperor named Caesar, they brought these tales back to the mother land and the king of Moskva was very interested in them.”

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“When the roman empire finally fell in 1160 AD, the Muscovite king seized control of the other Rus kingdoms and took the title of Tsar and claimed to be the rightful heir of the roman empire, he established a Christian theocratic government even though the religion was not present in all the Russian cities. He made the other kings his vassals and established a feudal order where they had to supply Moskva troops, and so the Tsardom of Russia begins!”
 

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I never played vanilla RFC, it should be good to see what it's like :D (the good writing will be nice as well :p)
 
Ladies and gentleman, if igured out how to post pictures inside posts!
Great! The ones with the spoiler tags are slightly better than having to click on thumbnails, since a mouseclick is still required but at least the images appear in the same web browser window. Still, the images without spoiler tags are even better, since your screen resolution is small enough for them to fit without requiring horizontal scrolling in a web browser (well, at least on my monitor).


As for your World Built Forts, most of the NE locations are pretty terrible and I'd rather see you conquer others' lands before settling them. Still, at least it appears that you have settled some of the better nearby locations in the real game, so you have done well in that regard.


established a Christian theocratic government even though the religion was not present in all the Russian cities.
Well, Theocracy is a good choice for GETTING that Religion spread around, since that Civic means that other Religions won't auto-spread to your other Cities.
 
Subbed. I like the writing style :)
 
Doohmstriker: The first update is large so i put them into spoiler tags so that people wouldn't have to scroll as much.

Now that you mention it, i regret building those cities. I did some preliminary games to get a feel for the land and they turned out okay, but then again by biggest problem was having too many cities so i guess i should have learned but i didn't.

Since this is rise of the soviet union, and not rise of the russian empire, i won't be conquering much until after 1917. I will only try to get the territory the USSR had after the revolution. (So i would have had to conquer mongolia to get Irkutsk, if the chinese hadn't already conquered them and razed all their cities except Karakourum, and Japan to make room for Vladivostok, and Arabia to get Baku and the clear the stan lands for my new cities)

I chose theocracy because in the preliminary games i found that confuscianism spread way too often in my cities so i wanted to prevent that.

Now the update will take on russia from the start of the Tsardom to just before the reign of Peter, which i put foward to 1600 since the actual reigns of Peter and catherine are too close together to have sufficient time to tell a story. So i made the reign of peter much longer to fill the gap, but that is the next update, for now the Tsardom.

“The Tsardom of Russia expanded its domain north and south, a hostile group of tartars established itself in the east. The serfs had many children, and keeping the class from revolt was hard, the tsar troops had to remain in the Russia to keep the peace, and so campaigns against the tartars had to wait.”
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“The tartars were subjugated in the early 14th century, and their lands settled by Russians in 1360. The Tsardom extended in a circle around Moskva, the lands were vast and so most of the motherland remained forests and steppe.”
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No Italics: (so the soviet is not saying this, just to be clear) I know some people are thinking “Why did you settle on the oil?” Well, I moved the European oil into Siberia. Not having Leningrad is just putting me on edge for some reason. Minsk and Kiev are growing REALLY fast, so I have to keep a lot of the army there and I feel like the rest of russia isn’t being given enough attention. Anyway Baku had to be placed again because the arabs razed it, and that barb galley has an archer on it and it is really making me nervous with it floating around giving me “enemy has been spotted” I guess I am just paranoid, but I feel like germany, Arabia and a massive horde of barbs are all going to attack me whenever I hit enter. (BTW that is why I am researching gunpowder, so that I can rest easy)

“The first known use of gunpowder in mother Russia was in 1370. The firearm played a pivotal role in the beginnings of the worldwide revolution Marx talked about, in enabled the class of commoners to overthrow their oppressors because it could be picked up and used by almost anyone, and so the militia man had the power to faced the professional class of nobility.”

“The Tsars began a policy of expansion east of the Urals in 1485 with the founding of Ekaterinburg, this is also around the time the Rus came in to contact with the Mongol horde, which at this time failed its invasion of china and was struggling to maintain its homeland against the Sino counter attacks.”
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Christianity is not spreading at all. I have to missionary every single one of the cities. I usually have this problem as Russia and normally added Christianity through world builder, but that is not possible since I don’t want to use world builder for this. I don't like havign to spend production of missionaries to do something that should happen automaticaly with the trade routes, because i need that production to build lots of workers and units to keep my cities happy.

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1495: that is why I was concerned about not founding Leningrad. Okay, that just means I will have to fight a war to get it, historical. But it seems that Minsk's culture is going to flip the city anyway so i won't need to fight the germans until i'm ready to completely destroy them.


“By the year 1500 the Mongol nation descended into civil war, thus allowing the mother Russia to expand unhindered all the way to the pacific. The independent Mongols kingdoms remained in what is now the Kazakh S.S.R until the year 1600 when the Tsar Peter was born.”
 

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INVADE GERMANY! (it's always a good idea :D)
 
INVADE GERMANY! (it's always a good idea :D)
I vill, i vill, in time, for now the reign of Peter.

Most of the information i know about peter comes from teh civilopedia and i adapted what i learnt there to the specific situation i had, and the transition to catherine could not have gone more well!



“The Tsar Peter is the only Tsar that has my respect; in his youth he traveled across Europe and lived the life of a proletariat, working in the foreign countries and not telling them he was heir to the Russian throne. He understood the proletariat, and so was able to effectively distract them from their problems. The Tsars were always on a lookout for new ways to distract the lower classes, before peter this was done by the importation of luxury products from Arabia, but religious differences soon brought the trade to an end. That is why religion is not welcome in the new world we will create, the trade would have benefited both parties, but they denied it based on pride and ignorance. Even with the luxury resources, the serfs were too poor to afford these so they did little to calm them down. Peter understood this and in Europe he observed many customs and arts, he brought back music and banking to Russia, and once he became tsar he subsidized the arts so that even the serfs could watch them. They were entertained and therefore distracted from their situation. Peter’s actions may have postponed the revolution by centuries. He obviously did not know that his actions would do that, he probably just wanted to keep them calm and hold on too what he had, that is nothing more than what some comrades who don’t embrace the revolution do today.”


“Once he returned to Europe in 1620 he took the throne and one of his first actions as Tsar was to drive the Mongols out of Kazakhstan. He did not lead his troops, instead he fought as a common artillery personnel; he fought alongside his comrades. His division managed to break a keshlik charge, but was severely weakened. Archers destroyed his division but he managed to escape and join up with a musket unit and take the Mongol base and drove them out of the western regions.”

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“The area was cleared for Russian settlement, and by 1630 Kazakhstan and Novosibirsk were settled and a new campaign was launched against the more eastern Mongols. Because he sponsored the arts he did not have to worry about the motherland revolting and so he could spend more of his time and resources focusing on colonizing Siberia.”

“In 1645, the city of Helsinki revolted from holy roman rule, Peter took advantage of this and immediately destroyed the city, because he has plans for the area.”

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“On Peter’s 50 birthday the Rus people came into contact with the old Chinese empire. We secured trade deals with them as well as reopening the trade with Arabia he made a state visit to their lands where he observed their soldiers with guns riding on horseback, when he returned he adopted this for his own army, the best riders were the Cossacks which became the base of the Russian army until the revolution.”

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“Peter built St. Petersburg, or Leningrad, in 1665 mother Russia now had a port on the Baltic. The fact that Peter named a city after himself and put a saint in front of it seems egotistic. The city’s name had to be changed after the revolution in order to distant our selves from the oppression of the Tsars.”

“Peter died in 1680, after having settled Uralskiy, Sibirkiy and Irkutsk, but not before setting up a deal with china that if even one was attacked the other would come to its aid. Peter’s successor Peter II in came to the throne after his father’s death, at the age of 45, he was not the ruler his father was, he did not understand the needs of the proletariat, however he did continue the policies of his father and kept funding the arts and continued the settling projects that peter planned before his death. He did not expect the promise with china to be brought into effect during his reign, but in 1695 it did. Japan, an unknown nation of the Russians at that time declared war on china over the regions of Manchuria, and so the Chinese asked him to defend them. The Tsar assumed that if he had never heard of them they must have been weak, but too his surprise the Arabs came to the Japanese’s defense upon receiving the news, the Tsar died from a heart attack for he was 60 years old at the time, and so his 30 year old son, Peter III took the throne. With the flow of luxury resources from Arabia stopped Peter III struck a deal with china to import silk. He was like his father and knew not that this would not keep the serfs happy, and so when he withdrew forces from his cities, he did not know that increasing the funding for the arts would keep them happy. He began arming the Cossacks, and any other mounted troop was given a gun. He prepared to ride against the Arabs, ignoring the Japanese as he did not know where they were so he couldn’t fight them anyway, he was ready to ride… just as soon as he could secure his western flank.”

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My plan is to get alot of cossacks and take Baku and then destory merv to make room for the west asian cities, then to make peace and take on japan and raze the cities and build Vladivostok, the next update will be the life of Catherine and her campaign against the Arabs, (Closests thing to the turks) and japanese.
 

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AFTER CONQUERING GERMANY GET CONSTANTINOPLE [party]
 
As civ'ed said, the soviets do not need such a city, and anyways the soviets don't exist yet, I realize that constaniople was something that imperial russia wanted to get, but i am not playing imperial russia, all this has just been a prologue for the tale of the soviet union. For now the reign of Catherine

“In the year 1700 Peter III, at the age of 35, married Catherine, at the age of 16, of the Holy Roman Empire, the marriage was arranged as part of the deal Peter III made with the Holy Roman Empire to defend one another in case of war. Feeling his flank secure Peter III brought troops out of Russia and rode towards the Caucasian mountains, the serfs were bolder now that the garrisons were fewer and riots took place in the high serf location of Kiev. Peter III did not think much of this, but the nobles of Kiev who feared that the serfs would turn against them began to plot with his own wife on a way to steal his throne.”

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“In 1703 Catherine with the help of the Kievan nobles organized the assassination of Peter III, as he rode past kiev on his tour of the country to recruit Cossacks they paid one of the Cossacks to ‘accidentally’ shoot him in the training, and so Catherine became the sole ruler of mother Russia. She followed in peters footsteps and funded the arts even more and the rebels in Kiev once again were distracted and the revolution was further delayed. Catherine planned on capturing the city of Baku, the capital of the Azerbaijani S.S.R and then following the coast of the Caspian sea around to capture the Arabian cities in Persia.”

“Catherine is a great example of how in the world after the revolution both men and women are needed to work as hard as they can for the motherland, for if the men suppress the women, they became another class, and then class conflict will continue. In her reign she led the military well in their campaigns, capturing Baku in 1709 and beginning a campaign against the Japanese in 1712.”

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“Catherine made a deal with the Chinese that she would be able to keep the Amur River valley if she fought the Japanese. She saw the Amur as the highway to the pacific ocean, she did not want this land to ever be taken from her so she destroyed the Japanese towns in the valley. She thought that people did not like being ruled by another people, but she was wrong, people only revolt from ‘foreign’ rule because they are treated as another class, lower than their overlords. Her massive genocide against he Japanese people was useless, as they would have been peaceful under her rule as long as they weren’t lower than the Russians, but since she did not understand this her actions can not be seen as completely pointless, as their was no chance the Japanese people would revolt if their were no Japanese people, it would be the Russians rising against the Russians that would be the Tsarina’s biggest problem… if it weren’t that she was such a patron of the arts, she did not know it, but all the subsidies she made for the theater kept the serfs quiet even though some were beginning to demand emancipation. Her strategy in Arabia was to cut off Persia from Arabia and to entice them to revolt against their masters, the Cossacks charged the ancient city of shush and captured it, she gave control of the city over to china knowing that the Persians would use the complicated political situation to their advantage and rise up against the Arabs, as well she did not want to have to defend the city as the Cossacks made their way through Persia.”

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“The decision to ride through Arabian territory pillaging was a large blunder Catherine made, the Cossacks were slowly eaten away and it cost valuable time, new Cossacks were sent directly to attack Merv, meanwhile Catherine strengthen her claim their by settling Tashkent, in the Uzbek S.S.R.”

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“The path to the pacific was finnaly cleared in 1745, by this time Catherine was already 61 years old, but she remained as lively as ever, whenever she heard new that Merv had been reinforced she got up and said “Should I come down there and burn the city myself?” She kept this energy until her death.”

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“Merv was burned in 1748 because Catherine planned to settle the area with Russians. She continued the war with Arabia, because the arabs assumed that since Merv was burned they didn’t feel as threatened because their cities not under siege, but Catherine wanted to extort technologies out of her enemies before accepting peace.”

“Catherine in her old age demanded that a port on the pacific be built before her death and in 1757 her officials built the Port of Vladivostok.”

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“She was now over 70 years old, but her resolved only became harder with age, she wished to one day see a line of Russian settlements from the Black sea to the pacific, following the amur valley, she wanted to see Russian control reach as far south of Afghanistan. She was a very patriot Russian for a German.”

“In the year 1775, at the age of 91 Catherine negotiated peace with the Arabs and Japanese, the next night she died peacefully in her sleep, like as if she somehow knew her job was done, it is because of her that the U.S.S.R has its current day borders, it is because of her that our comrades live from the Black sea to the Pacific, it is because of her that our comrades in the Caucasus where able to partake in our glorious revolution, the rest of the Tsardom is a story of oppression and wastefulness without fruits, which eventually led to the revolution in 1917.”

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