Sean Meade
Chieftain
There's some good Viking strategy considerations in here. Anyone want to put it in a new thread I can link from the also new Strategy thread (see my signature)? Mind if I do (if so, I'll just be copying it over)?
RFCE 1.3 Playtest Feedback
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gilgames
Priest-King
There is no strategy guide for them, their goals are not that hard but need focus and attention. And their are fun to do! On emperor bigger city sizes helps more in terms of points but imo if we push it further the fun will gone. also on emperor you need to add manor houses to barrack+workboat.
gilgames
Priest-King
I achieved something that never before. Conquered Jerusalem with the first crusade, and hold it until my 2nd uhv was done, never losing it to muslim rebels or anyone else. They came about 5 times, chances were good: 78%.
I'll attach the save, so you can see it if forfeit.
View attachment Ironfist.CivBeyondSwordSave
I'll attach the save, so you can see it if forfeit.
View attachment Ironfist.CivBeyondSwordSave
AbsintheRed
Deity
Indeed, my goal is to include those territories too in some form.
But instead of directly adding them to the UHV (similarly to one of the old Norse goals), maybe it's more elegant to increase the Viking points themselves.
That kinda forces most players to look for more indy cities other than the ones in Britain, and then the rich Sicilian and Italian lands are the next natural target.
But I might be wrong about this. A hard goal would be better?
I tend to go for indies instead of major civs, but maybe most people do not, and for them Sicily and Naples never comes in mind.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Actually I'm just about to start a Viking UHv challenge for them, similar to the Kievan Food UHV one
The only reason I didn't post it yesterday after my playtest with them is that I want to commit some changes for them first.
Yeah, changed some numbers connected to that too in one of my previous commits
It was still very lucky that you managed to hold it all 5 times, don't expect that in every game
Here's my latest CTD, SVN 1198 Hungary.
Obviously happens only in Windows 10, not in Windows 7.
Obviously happens only in Windows 10, not in Windows 7.
AbsintheRed
Deity
AbsintheRed
Deity
CTD. Steam on Windows 10. v1.3 unpatched. I would like to keep playing this game if you don't mind sending it back. Thanks
Just a quick solution, with some cheats for Portugal...
But you can continue and hopefully finish your game now
PS: what do you plan to do with that Hungarian city in your UHV province?
They are your vassal if I saw it right
Sean Meade
Chieftain
Just a quick solution, with some cheats for Portugal...
But you can continue and hopefully finish your game now
PS: what do you plan to do with that Hungarian city in your UHV province?
They are your vassal if I saw it right
Thanks! Is there something I can do to get past these? I hate to keep bothering you with them if they don't help you.
Great question about the Hungarian city. I shouldn't have given it to them (I think it offered to liberate it). I'm busy capturing cities in Burgundy and giving them to Hungary to try to destabilize them.
AbsintheRed
Deity
PinkPallin, or anyone who can get past CTDs without any issues (probably on win7)
This is TimGB's savegame from revision 1174: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14251782#post14251782
Could you post it back to me from the beginning of the next turn?
With playing on revision 1174, and without any changes anywhere, just end turn and then save.
This is TimGB's savegame from revision 1174: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14251782#post14251782
Could you post it back to me from the beginning of the next turn?
With playing on revision 1174, and without any changes anywhere, just end turn and then save.
AbsintheRed
Deity
bump.
Here you are.
Obviously I had to choose a new action for Eabhraig, I just chose Wealth.
gilgames
Priest-King
its another broken game with scotts, win 10 last svn.
View attachment Robert the Bruce AD-1218 Turn 206.CivBeyondSwordSave
View attachment Robert the Bruce AD-1218 Turn 206.CivBeyondSwordSave
gilgames
Priest-King
Okey, I just quited from that Scottish game, around 1300+. I don't know others why find them fun, I do not. Its boring, slow paced and you have no production nor research. France collapsed in 1300 anyway and I had 300+ points with them, it seems low and I do not see how it could be better. I had York, Cardiff 2 city on Ireland 4 in Scotland and 1 more on the isles.
France made only 1 war against Germany and they failed-->collapse. Btw Germany is too powerful. They start with too many techs. However the new city placement changes were good to them also very good to Poland (now they settle Gdansk and I love it, good city too)!!! Now both of them tend to be good and strong on the leader-board. Also in the last few weeks Spain used to be! They usually got beated or collapsed. No change for Hungary,Africa, Scandinavia, France also do not benefit from the changes.
Edit: Its clear, that the british isles are not for me, can't play with England too. ps: this is well calculated? i mean the chances...
France made only 1 war against Germany and they failed-->collapse. Btw Germany is too powerful. They start with too many techs. However the new city placement changes were good to them also very good to Poland (now they settle Gdansk and I love it, good city too)!!! Now both of them tend to be good and strong on the leader-board. Also in the last few weeks Spain used to be! They usually got beated or collapsed. No change for Hungary,Africa, Scandinavia, France also do not benefit from the changes.
Edit: Its clear, that the british isles are not for me, can't play with England too. ps: this is well calculated? i mean the chances...
Good innovation, but resources saved if the city is founded on spot with T/D/F
AbsintheRed
Deity
Thanks, it's greatly appreciated!
There are some strange things going on, like the triggering of the second Scottish UHV.
This means while the actual CTD didn't happen, the bug still caused some issues with the game on Win 7 too...
Various issues in the background might have happened for everyone else too, and with every other supposedly crashing savegame as well.
If you don't mind, I have some follow up questions which need some further tests.
Does the UHV trigger again, if you run the save once again the same way as before?
There are some corrupted memory values involved, and I would like to know if they are always the same or not.
If it's the same as before, I would need another restart with the save. But this time go into WB before you press end turn, and delete the attacking swedish stack near Varberg (southern part of the Scandinavian Peninsula)
This theoretically eliminates the possibility for every issue connected to crash, just want to be sure.
And most importantly, a third test: run the savegame with the attached CvGameCoreDLL.dll. Unzip and copy over the file to ...\Mods\RFCEurope\Assets\
Replace the original version of the file with this new one.
Don't forget that all of these have to be done in revision 1174, and pls upload all 3 savegames from the beginning of the next turn.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Balance is obviously off with the recent changes and improvements in the city AI placement.
Germany got especially buffed with it, I agree.
Probably this is just a display issue.
You don't have enough gold to bribe the lords, that should probably be -20%
IMO cities should keep the resources, doesn't it happen that way?
If for nothing else, for the AI. AI city placement is already very complex, don't want to add another rules for them to avoid settling on some specific resources.
I think it's also better for the human players this way, removing the resource on city placement would just lead to annoyance in most situations without adding any real strategic depth.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Ohh, just reread it, and this sounds really frightening/disheartening.
But actually I already have a fix for this goddamn city attack CTD
I'm just doing various tests to be sure that the fix solves everything connected to it, and that it doesn't cause any further issues/inconsistencies itself.
The current plan is to upload it with my next commit after I finish all my initial tests.
So it will be available for everyone in the SVN, which will also result in some public testing in the next couple weeks.
If noone reports any more CTDs or strange behaviour on city conquest, I will release 1.4 with all the recent fixes and improvements. The mod should have an offical version which is free of this annoyance
I feel it's better to call it 1.4 than 1.3.2 or 1.3.5.Obviously the company overhaul and everything connected to it, the province/map improvements and the UHV updates based on them, a more final version of the 1200 AD scenario and all other slower paced improvements on the mod won't be included, the version with those will be called 1.5.
DarkThunder
Chieftain
Imho:
I have read some historical books
These provinces once were conquered (and ruled) by Vikings and so should be marked as Contested:
- Northumbria
- Marcia
- East Anglia
Also probably Eboracum should have Catholicism as Christianity spreads Northumbria at least since 600AD (and Northumbria was well known as a religious and political center).
DC123456789
Deity
All those areas were Viking controlled, but primarily settled Danish Vikings - hence the term Danelaw. They belong in the Danish UHV (and indeed are there), but shouldn't be in the Norwegian UHV, as the Norwegians primarily invaded and settled western Scotland (i.e. the Kingdom of the Isles), Ireland, and the Northern Isles. The Norwegian UHV should focus on those, and indeed they do, except for the awkward inclusion of Mercia.
