[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[God of Kings]

The Italian civ does not even need Rome to be in its city list.

 

[Phoenix1595]

When I hear Italian Republic I think of the territory that France controlled during the Revolution
(When I hear "Italy" I think of pasta)

Republics, not Republic.

 

[God of Kings]

(When I hear "Italy" I think of pasta)

That would be an interesting trade delegation gift.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

A history nerd might hold me for this, but my mind goes to Rome first. Perhaps that's where my own confusion stems from as there is no such issue with Greece.

I think of Rome only when I hear about the Roman Empire.

The Italian civ does not even need Rome to be in its city list.

Florence, Venice, Milan, Genoa, Naples, Turin, Bologna, Pisa, Verona, Pisa, Palermo, Parma etc. (there's enough)

 

[God of Kings]

The Italian trade delegation could offer pasta, cheese, wine, and some marble sculptures.

 

[Phrozen]

I see, with that clarification I can absolutely agree and I'd support the idea. It was not what I understood by "Italy civ" when I saw it thrown around a few times. Is there a common English term adopted that covers the Renaissance city states that could be used as a name, avoiding possible confusion with modern Italy? I've felt uneasy with Greece for the same reason, though I do appreciate the connection is clear and de facto the same principle could work with Italy regarding the city states. It's just that Greece is widely associated with the ancient city states while there are many more stages Italy has gone through that could be associated with the name.

Of course that could just be me, don't kill me with stones if you find my concern trivial or negligible

The closest equivalent would probably be Lombardy though that is a region of Italy, the major Italian city states united under the Lombard League to oppose the HRE.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Speaking of delegations I hope Poundmaker will give you a peace pipe and some buffalo/bison meat or skin.

 

[God of Kings]

Speaking of delegations I hope Poundmaker will give you a peace pipe and some buffalo/bison meat or skin.

That and beaver pelts too

 

[KevinHann]

The Italian trade delegation could offer pasta, cheese, wine, and some marble sculptures.

How about prosciutto?

 

[God of Kings]

How about prosciutto?

That too would be a great gift.

 

[Wingednosering]

William Wallace never really used a broadsword despite art and other media of him with the sword; his favoured weapon was actually the longbow.

EDIT: Or at least; so I am told.

Huh. Damn you pop culture! You got me again.

Anybody have any ideas for Shaka's agenda? Would love to see something like 'Momma's Boy: Hates players with high populations, likes players with low population growth'.

 

[sonicmyst]

If Italy and Celts will make it in this expansion, we will probably hear complaints about this game being Eurocentric again.

We are still missing a South American and African civ for this expansion, so I would still want to believe they devs will fill those area first.

 

[God of Kings]

Scotland's trade delegation could offer haggis.

After all, all true Scotsmen eat haggis.

 

[Zaarin]

I will be appalled if we get Medieval Scotland over Medieval Ireland, but tbh I'll believe this leak is true when I see it. I really don't think we'll see the Zulu or the Celts/Scotland in R&F. All that being said, I will take William Wallace in a hearbeat over Noble Savage Hippie New Age Guru Boudicca.

 

[God of Kings]

I will be appalled if we get Medieval Scotland over Medieval Ireland, but tbh I'll believe this leak is true when I see it. I really don't think we'll see the Zulu or the Celts/Scotland in R&F. All that being said, I will take William Wallace in a hearbeat over Noble Savage Hippie New Age Guru Boudicca.

Good thing Boudicca is still a Great General.

 

[Ondolindë]

I am still surprised and a bit bothered that we are entertaining these leaks. Of, course, it stems from its vagueness and maybe because it is lost in translation for me still, but most importantly because I’m not thrilled by the idea. So, for now, I pretend it did not even happen and await further information: tomorrow’s hints...crossing my fingers.

 

[WillowBrook]

I assume this week we'll be back to our pre-holiday schedule of
Monday 10 a.m. ET: teaser posted on Twitter
Tuesday 10 a.m. ET: first look posted to YouTube
Wednesday 2 p.m. ET: livestream (probably?)
Friday sometime: wonder video

Any reason to think otherwise?

 

[God of Kings]

I assume this week we'll be back to our pre-holiday schedule of
Monday 10 a.m. ET: teaser posted on Twitter
Tuesday 10 a.m. ET: first look posted to YouTube
Wednesday 2 p.m. ET: livestream (probably?)
Friday sometime: wonder video

Any reason to think otherwise?

That might be so.

 

[CPWimmer]

I assume this week we'll be back to our pre-holiday schedule of
Monday 10 a.m. ET: teaser posted on Twitter
Tuesday 10 a.m. ET: first look posted to YouTube
Wednesday 2 p.m. ET: livestream (probably?)
Friday sometime: wonder video

Any reason to think otherwise?

Monday, Tuesday & Friday I think are locked in.

The Wednesday Livestream might be impacted by the Cree fallout and it could be put on hold until they have formulated the official response. That's not something Firaxis will want to put their Production and Dev/Design team members on the front line of. If there isn't a formal Firaxis/2K response by Tuesday afternoon, I would expect the Livestream to get pushed out.

 

[agonistes]

Thirty-five days!

Today Wikipedia featured picture: blangkon, a Javanese headdress. Featured article is Lilias Armstrong, an Englis phonetician. Just in case if anyone's interested.

Note that 'phonetician' resembles 'phonecian.'