[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[Hakan-i Cihan]

Monday, Tuesday & Friday I think are locked in.

The Wednesday Livestream might be impacted by the Cree fallout and it could be put on hold until they have formulated the official response. That's not something Firaxis will want to put their Production and Dev/Design team members on the front line of. If there isn't a formal Firaxis/2K response by Tuesday afternoon, I would expect the Livestream to get pushed out.

The livestream can also be played with the newly announced civ of this week. So I don't think that would be a reason to postpone any planned livestream.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I will be appalled if we get Medieval Scotland over Medieval Ireland, but tbh I'll believe this leak is true when I see it. I really don't think we'll see the Zulu or the Celts/Scotland in R&F. All that being said, I will take William Wallace in a hearbeat over Noble Savage Hippie New Age Guru Boudicca.

Knowing Firaxis, though, we are very liable to get a Highland Kilted Romantic Wallace and then read about earthquakes in Scotland when Wallace starts spinning in his grave like a turbine...

 

[God of Kings]

We have to be on a lookout for kilts and straw skirts.

 

[CPWimmer]

The livestream can also be played with the newly announced civ of this week. So I don't think that would be a reason to postpone any planned livestream.

First, I am certain they were planning on focusing on the Cree - it's the biggest thing that was announced since their last livestream. They spend time setting up save games and scenarios to help show off the content. This would take some effort to pivot at the last minute. I'm not saying it can't be done - but that leads to point #2...

Second, even if they don't focus on the Cree content itself, they would get a ton of questions on the topic in the livestream chat. If they don't address those questions (and haven't officially addressed the Cree reaction before then), someone will pick up on it - and point it out in a negative way. The people doing the livestream are not the people you should be relying on to make that first public response. They aren't going to want their very first in-person, live, public presentation of the new year to originate in that uncertain climate.

Pushing out the livestream would be a safer move than going ahead with it, unless the situation is somewhat under control by then.

 

[God of Kings]

I bet that Monday's teaser would be inundated with #pardonpoundmaker by those following the teaser.

Firaxis needs to come clean with the Creegate.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

We have to be on a lookout for kilts and straw skirts.

- and ukuleles, which with the straw/grass skirts could mean they've decided to do the Late 1930s Kitsch Hawaii Civilization: heavy on Tourism, Uniques would include the Pan American Clipper (airborne Trade Routes!) and Surfing and their Unique Unit would be a white-suited American Sailor on Shore Leave who pillages your Entertainment Districts.

Or it could mean a Zulu playing a ukulele...

 

[Duuk]

I don't know the thinking in Take Two's board room.

If excessive panic sets in, we'll see the Cree buried and commented out of the code, RF will feature 7 civs, and there will be a free DLC pack adding the Iroquois, Sioux, Cherokee, or Blackfoot tribes about a month after release.

I'd kill to be a big enough shareholder to be able to call and get that info right now.

 

[God of Kings]

- and ukuleles, which with the straw/grass skirts could mean they've decided to do the Late 1930s Kitsch Hawaii Civilization: heavy on Tourism, Uniques would include the Pan American Clipper (airborne Trade Routes!) and Surfing and their Unique Unit would be a white-suited American Sailor on Shore Leave who pillages your Entertainment Districts.

Or it could mean a Zulu playing a ukulele...

Aloha uShaka!
Aloha uShaka!

 

[ferretbacon]

I don't know the thinking in Take Two's board room.

If excessive panic sets in, we'll see the Cree buried and commented out of the code, RF will feature 7 civs, and there will be a free DLC pack adding the Iroquois, Sioux, Cherokee, or Blackfoot tribes about a month after release.

I'd kill to be a big enough shareholder to be able to call and get that info right now.

There isn't that much controversy. To cancel the Cree now, especially after the public announcement, would be some next level corporate skittishness. They might release a press release and they may additionally have a PR call with the headsman who made the comments, but they're not cancelling at this point.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

There isn't that much controversy. To cancel the Cree now, especially after the public announcement, would be some next level corporate skittishness. They might release a press release and they may additionally have a PR call with the headsman who made the comments, but they're not cancelling at this point.

I would bet anything they already have a contingent of lawyers up in Saskatchewan buying pipe tobacco and getting ready to appease and assure or at least negotiate and settle with the Elder Council on Monday.

 

[God of Kings]

Regardless of how the controversy goes, Civ VI's popularity in Canada would skyrocket.

 

[slyone14]

I will be appalled if we get Medieval Scotland over Medieval Ireland, but tbh I'll believe this leak is true when I see it. I really don't think we'll see the Zulu or the Celts/Scotland in R&F. All that being said, I will take William Wallace in a hearbeat over Noble Savage Hippie New Age Guru Boudicca.

I totally get your point but stay positive. If Medieval Scotland is in lets see the design first. It might be a super unique and fun civ.

 

[God of Kings]

There isn't that much controversy. To cancel the Cree now, especially after the public announcement, would be some next level corporate skittishness. They might release a press release and they may additionally have a PR call with the headsman who made the comments, but they're not cancelling at this point.

The Cree civ is practically complete at this stage (aside from balance tweaking).

Even Sean Bean voiced the intro for the Cree already.

It is better to leave the Cree in. After all, the Creegate is beneficial to all parties, including the Cree themselves, since it means much greater exposure to the Canadian government's injustice towards Poundmaker and would lead to greater pressure to pardon and perhaps exonerate Poundmaker.

 

[slyone14]

I for one hope the leak isnt true. Not because of the civs, could be Iceland for all I care. It's about the civs design for me.

But, because for me, half the fun of a new expansion is the guessing and surprise come Tuesday reveal. This person is really taking away my enjoyment.

 

[God of Kings]

I for one hope the leak isnt true. Not because of the civs, could be Iceland for all I care. It's about the civs design for me.

But, because for me, half the fun of a new expansion is the guessing and surprise come Tuesday reveal. This person is really taking away my enjoyment.

All the leaks keep coming, including non-leaks that are the result of the NDA expiring a few days before the teaser.

 

[marius_kaparius]

Even Sean Bean voiced the intro for the Cree already.

How do you know this? Do you have inside sources?

 

[Zaarin]

I totally get your point but stay positive. If Medieval Scotland is in lets see the design first. It might be a super unique and fun civ.

Maybe, but knowing Firaxis William Wallace will be dressed in a modern kilt and tam o' shanter, quoting Burns, with every 18th century romantic stereotype of Scotland or Ireland or even Wales that can be shoved into a single civ. I mean, sure, that's still better than Hippie New Age Guru Boudicca, but...

 

[God of Kings]

How do you know this? Do you have inside sources?

How else do we know about Khmer and Indonesia a few days before they were officially revealed?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

For anyone who places stock in the supposed wikipedia connection, tomorrow's edition of the English language Wikipedia (up now) has a OTD entry for Scotland and a Picture of the Day of a clock tower built by Ottomans in Tel Aviv.

 

[liv]

I for one hope the leak isnt true. Not because of the civs, could be Iceland for all I care. It's about the civs design for me..

I think the leader of Iceland should be Snori Sturluson. And they could have a special governmental district called the Althing. That would be great. And oh yeah offer some of that fermented shark hakarl as gift.