Yes and I was only being facetious to appease the Dutchman. It was lovely, aside from all the people like me running around in their socks and sandals taking pictures. Bloody tourists! Anyway, didn't mean to cause offense. It's tricky, this national pride business.
But with Genghis we have "yet another warmonger"; it was Kublai and his mother who turned the Mongolian Empire into something sophisticated, wealthy, and able to last past its founder's death (unlike, say, Alexander).
Yes and I was only being facetious to appease the Dutchman. It was lovely, aside from all the people like me running around in their socks and sandals taking pictures. Bloody tourists! Anyway, didn't mean to cause offense. It's tricky, this national pride business.
Some speculation on wonder abilities: Archivo General de Indias - We know that one wonder will grant governor titles, and this seems the one to do it. And maybe it reduces loyalty decrease from distance. Despite the previous mercantile use of the building before it became the archive, I think a trade ability is unlikely.
Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station - I think it comes to late for a snow or tundra buff wonder. Why would you care much about a few beakers that cost massive production in atomic age? I rather think it will give a fair amount of late game eurekas.
Chateau Frontenac - Related to tourism, obviously. Increased tourism from open borders? Increases all non-religious tourism? Large tourism from alliances?
Temple of Artemis - My first idea would be amenities from entertainment, but I don't think that we need or get two classical wonders in that field. It could always be religious, since it is a temple after all, but I can also imagine that this one gives a bonus to building future wonders or maybe districts (since it was rebuilt three times), and apparently more beautiful each time. Great Merchant points or a buff to Great Merchants seem a possibility as well.
Kōtoku-in - I think that this one will definitely be about religion. I don't have a good idea, however.
Statue of Liberty - I can imagine that this one will have an 'evil' ability: reducing loyalty in foreign cities, extra housing or growth may be involved as well.
St Basil's Cathedral - Boosting loyalty or maybe boosting governors in general
for me the tupis are already inside the brazilian civ, like you said, the indians are part of Brasil culture, different from other former colonies like United States
Once again this is arguing from a position of ignorance regarding Anglophone colonies. Indigenous names are very widespread for both settlements and geographical features in the United States, Canada, Australia and many other colonies; Brazil is in no way unique in that regard. Even where specific features of indigenous traditions haven't become incorporated into the European-derived culture, local holidays like America's Thanksgiving nominally reference encounters with the native peoples. There's generally a wider awareness and appreciation of their artforms than there is in source countries that lack surviving tribal peoples, and the specific history of colonisation and of the usually adversarial encounters with the locals has had an influence on national attitudes that, again, is lacking in the European states that have no living reminders of those events.
There are also other legacies specific to colonialism, such as the history of slavery in the US, that have drastically shaped both demographics and cultural developments both positive (think of US popular music, most of which has African-American roots) and negative (such as America's long-ingrained race relation problems and the tendency for its populace to self-segregate into labelled communities with limited cross-cultural exchange) and the incorporation of multiple European traditions (especially in the US, which has incorporated wholesale areas once part of Mexico or Spanish territories which to a large extent retain those cultures, but the French influence in Canada is also obvious). The time period when the countries were colonised and the nature of the immigrants has left a strong mark as well - Americans are infamous at least in the Anglophone world for an obsession with religion, and especially fundamentalist forms, largely abandoned in northern Europe and in later colonies like Australia.
Meanwhile the UK itself has had centuries to evolve along different lines from the colonies based on its greater exposure to certain cultures through empire and subsequent immigration, its greater exposure to cultural and political trends on the European mainland, different experiences in major 19th and 20th Century conflicts, the 20th Century resurgence of regional cultural identities especially in "Celtic" areas, and varied internal events. As much as a portion of the population dislikes acknowledging the fact, modern Britain has more in common in many if not most respects with the cultures of neighbouring European countries than with its former colonies.
I've lived in both Australia and the US as well as my home country, the UK, and America in particular is far more alien a culture from a modern European perspective either than Australia (which feels recognisably European, but with definite cultural features derived from its history of colonisation and the importance of self-reliance for early colonists in an isolated and climatically hostile environment) or than most people either in Britain or the US recognise. Comparing the US and the UK is about as fair as the Anglophone tendency to consider a Brazil a hotter version of Portugal with better footballers and worse music.
Temple of Artemis - My first idea would be amenities from entertainment, but I don't think that we need or get two classical wonders in that field. It could always be religious, since it is a temple after all, but I can also imagine that this one gives a bonus to building future wonders or maybe districts (since it was rebuilt three times), and apparently more beautiful each time. Great Merchant points or a buff to Great Merchants seem a possibility as well.
Extra pantheon belief? Though that'd be more suitable for some Roman wonder, or even a leader ability, since those guys have been known for appropriating other peoples' gods...
While I agree that it would be nice to make some late game founded cities more useful (and fun), I still think the wonder would have to be rather cheap in order to make it useful just with that.
But assuming it's only available atomic/information-era, is it worth spending 2000 cogs for some science in crappy terrain? I would expect it would be like the science equivalent of the opera house, so probably +8 science, +5 great scientist points, and a bunch of random eurekas.
I can‘t stand it when people lump Brazil, Australia and Canada together in their hate for post- colonial nations. Brazil is a very unique country and culture with an interesting history. Thanks!
I don't like the inclusion of these territories because their impacts on history have so far been minor, not because of their distinctiveness or lack of it.
That...is an important point. Hey, Kublai would be fine. But in this game of BIGpersonalities, I think there are few bigger than the guy who has more decedents than anyone else on the planet
But with Genghis we have "yet another warmonger"; it was Kublai and his mother who turned the Mongolian Empire into something sophisticated, wealthy, and able to last past its founder's death (unlike, say, Alexander).
While Genghis was a massive war monger, I think you're ignoring much of the other things that distinguish him like tolerance (within the Mongol empire) and a thirst for learning from the best regardless of their race etc. Kublai and the others may have done more of the latter as the empire was already established. But they too were war mongers as well.
I don't like the inclusion of these territories because their impacts on history have so far been minor, not because of their distinctiveness or lack of it. Australia's won me over somewhat with its portrayal, but Firaxis has yet to show it can do anything interesting with Brazil or anything that departs from a bland 'carnivals and rainforest' stereotype.
Agreed
Except for Norway, if we look at them as the Vikings. Nubia...I think they've done enough, but I guess mostly in relation to Egypt alone.
I don't mind any of these "Civs" being in the game, as long as they don't take the place of someone who really left their imprint on the world, for good or for bad.
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(See the debate over the misleading application of the word 'colonialism').
