Where were you when they introduced Ottomans in Civ5 Vanilla and Byzantines only later in G&K?
Although...
This seems really strange to me - completely different cultures and even playstyles if implemented into the game. And it's funny to see one side complaining about this while the other keeps asking for Italy/Mexico/Argentina on top of the ancient civs in those areas.
See, I can buy leaving Byzantines out of vanilla and including Ottomans, since *technically* the Byzzies are just the ERE. Especially if the vanilla Roman city list had included ERE cities (which, I know, it did not). People just like complaining.
Edit: missed my thought in mid sentence, corrected the typo
Which is why I was upset that Byz and Ottomans aren't likely to both appear in an expac called "Rise and Fall", since LITERALLY the decline and fall of the Byzantine Civ is the Rise and Shine of the Ottoman Empire. Would have been a nice scenario.
Rise and Fall is the title, not the theme. Pretty much every civilization, bar the most recent, have experienced a rise and a downfall. That's nothing special. The themes of the expansion are the new mechanics. What most of the civs in the expansion will have in common is their utilization of the new mechanics. There will also be few old favorites like the Mongols. In that context, the Byzantines and Ottomans are not yin and yang. It's best to separate them to avoid reminding people that they had significant chronological and geographical overlap.
Rise and Fall is the title, not the theme. Pretty much every civilization, bar the most recent, have experienced a rise and a downfall. That's nothing special. The themes of the expansion are the new mechanics. What most of the civs in the expansion will have in common is their utilization of the new mechanics. There will also be few old favorites like the Mongols. In that context, the Byzantines and Ottomans are not yin and yang. It's best to separate them to avoid reminding people that they had significant chronological and geographical overlap.
I sure would He was definitely a great leader. At the start of his reign, Bohemia was poor country. He made Bohemia centre of culture, trade and education and Prague became one of the most important cities in Europe. He's also the first Czech king to become the Holy Roman Emperor. After all, he's won the first place in a TV poll "Největší Čech" (the Greatest Czech).
Although I think Ottokar II would be better for "Empires in Arms", since he was a great conqueror, while Charles IV tried to keep Bohemia in peace. He almost doubled Czech territories with marriages and wars. The Kingdom stretched from the Sudetes to the Adriatic Sea. Bohemia also became very rich country. He's called "the Iron and Golden King", in which Iron means his power and Golden his riches.
"Empires in Arms" could also use John the Blind. He's known for being a great warrior. He even fought in wars when he became blind. He fought and died in battle of Crécy, when he ordered his men to lead him where the noise of the battle was loudest.
I would really like Ottokar II as a Czech leader. But the Lands of the Bohemian Crown will be probably covered by someone like Maria Theresa, Joseph II or Franz Joseph I as a part of Austria-Hungary.
I would really like Ottokar II as a Czech leader. But the Lands of the Bohemian Crown will be probably covered by someone like Maria Theresa, Joseph II or Franz Joseph I as a part of Austria-Hungary.
Yes, sure, they could. But Austria is a prime candidate for a civ focused on diplomacy (despite Austria-Hungary probably having the most ridiculous parliament in history) and I guess we'll see them again at some point, maybe together with the world congress. I don't consider them a must-have civ, but I would always pick them over Hungary or Bohemia - or at least do so twice . Especially since you can definitely trace a huge Austrian influence for both, nowadays and in history.
I'd rather have a separate Bavarian civ representing the also rather unique bajuwarian culture with a lunatic leader that would fit very nice in a civ VI leader screen.
But I'd rather have the missing major European players like Portugal, Denmark, Sweden and Austria first. Well, maybe lump Denmark and Sweden together in a way as a non-viking Scandinavian protestant civ. But a game about empires without Portugal that has age of exploration graphic style... doesn't feel right.
Yes, sure, they could. But Austria is a prime candidate for a civ focused on diplomacy (despite Austria-Hungary probably having the most ridiculous parliament in history) and I guess we'll see them again at some point, maybe together with the world congress. I don't consider them a must-have civ, but I would always pick them over Hungary or Bohemia - or at least do so twice . Especially since you can definitely trace a huge Austrian influence for both, nowadays and in history.
I'd rather have a separate Bavarian civ representing the also rather unique bajuwarian culture with a lunatic leader that would fit very nice in a civ VI leader screen.
But I'd rather have the missing major European players like Portugal, Denmark, Sweden and Austria first. Well, maybe lump Denmark and Sweden together in a way as a non-viking Scandinavian protestant civ. But a game about empires without Portugal that has age of exploration graphic style... doesn't feel right.
I'm a little concerned about the lack of scenarios in this expansion. It seems we are getting none. Which could mean we get DLC in the future.
I'm trying to think of past Civ games expansions that did not have scenarios. But my memory isn't that great. Maybe Play the World for Civ3? It seems like all the expansions had scenarios, or maybe I'm just misremembering.
As I start writing this response, I'm not convinced there will be a scenario in the expansion. So I'll try to come up with 21 possible achievements related to the new mechanics.
5 - get a dark, golden, and heroic age; something with dedications, something with dark age cards
3 - governor related (get one, highly promote one, do something special)
3 - related to the new districts/buildings
3 - related to loyalty and free cities
3 - related to emergencies
4 - related to new wonders (natural and built)
There. That's 21. But I can certainly see the possibility of there being one less in some of those categories with a scenario added as well.
Edit: I totally forgot about alliances. They'll contribute a couple of achievements. I put the chance of a scenario at about 30%.
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He was definitely a great leader. At the start of his reign, Bohemia was poor country. He made Bohemia centre of culture, trade and education and Prague became one of the most important cities in Europe. He's also the first Czech king to become the Holy Roman Emperor. After all, he's won the first place in a TV poll "Největší Čech" (the Greatest Czech).
. Especially since you can definitely trace a huge Austrian influence for both, nowadays and in history.
