[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[Gabhar]

Ages back some random anonymous person (on /v/ I think) said Gorgo would be in the game before that leaked. The lesson here is that if you want real info all you have to do is look for all the posters claiming to be insiders and find the one guy who's not lying. Shouldn't be too hard.

 

[CPWimmer]

Ages back some random anonymous person (on /v/ I think) said Gorgo would be in the game before that leaked. The lesson here is that if you want real info all you have to do is look for all the posters claiming to be insiders and find the one guy who's not lying. Shouldn't be too hard.

Right, what's so difficult about that?

 

[DeutschDachs]

Georgia might get into Civ VI but if they do I wager they'll be the last revealed Civ of the last expansion pack to elate the desperate hopes of the Tamar meme fans

 

[Bridog7]

I like how in Civ VI they made the scout a dog (as indicated by the icon), and the guy is just tagging along for the ride. It's a major improvement from past Civ's.

 

[Chasethemage]

Before the game release, didn't someone post a pic of "first look : ottomans" but cropped to only show the title banner?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Before the game release, didn't someone post a pic of "first look : ottomans" but cropped to only show the title banner?

That was a hoax. The same person also made a First Look Rome, but the real one looked nothing like it.

 

[Duuk]

Personally I think we were all expecting a Native North American civ so even though the Cree are new to civ they are still less as a surprise than Georgia (if they are in) will be for the general public.

I'm with you on that. The consensus was there would be SOME AmerInd civ. We just didn't think outside of the box enough, because we named off Iroquois and Sioux, someone mentioned the Apache due to Geronimo being a well know leader, and the "look how edgy I am" people with the Hopi or Pueblo.

Who knew that the "LOOK HOW EDGY I AM" people weren't even remotely edgy enough, while the people (jokingly) saying "Inuit with igloos as a tile improvement" were so much closer to the mark.

Sometimes being a seer isn't even worth it.

I'm still with:

Korea/Mongol/Dutch/Cree/MauryPovich

Georgia
Inca
Italy

I'm wavering on Zulu now though. I could be convinced it's Ottomans, since a TSL map with Turks and Georgians could be fun.

 

[God of Kings]

I like how in Civ VI they made the scout a dog (as indicated by the icon), and the guy is just tagging along for the ride. It's a major improvement from past Civ's.

I too like the dog as a symbol.

It would be better if explorers were in the game between scout and ranger.

 

[stealth_nsk]

I have a mixed feeling of Italy as a civ. On the hand, Ancient Rome is only part of it's history. On the other hand, after fall of Rome, there was no real Italian state till XIX century. Some states located in the Italy (fully or partially) in between were very interisting (like Venice already shown in Civ5), but I don't see any of them deserving the name of being called Italian civilization. And having Italy as another "modern civ" while it's territory is already represented by the coolest ancient civ - this doesn't sound right.

 

[God of Kings]

Before the game release, didn't someone post a pic of "first look : ottomans" but cropped to only show the title banner?

That was a hoax. The same person also made a First Look Rome, but the real one looked nothing like it.

I can also tell if a First Look is Photoshopped or not. How do I know? I know how to Photoshop.

 

[Duuk]

I have a mixed feeling of Italy as a civ. On the hand, Ancient Rome is only part of it's history. On the other hand, after fall of Rome, there was no real Italian state till XIX century. Some states located in the Italy (fully or partially) in between were very interisting (like Venice already shown in Civ5), but I don't see any of them deserving the name of being called Italian civilization. And having Italy as another "modern civ" while it's territory is already represented by the coolest ancient civ - this doesn't sound right.

Germany wasn't a state until the 19th Century. "Greece" declared independence as a unified state in 1821. Australia isn't actually a real country. The United Kingdom (as represented in game) wasn't a think until the late 18th century (prior to that "England", etc). America? 18th century. Russia? Only since the 16th century, and that's if we pretend that the Grand Duchy of Muscovy and the few surrounding Principalities they conquered counted as "the Russian Empire".

It's not about their "time as a country", it's about the effect they had in world history. Which is why there is one glaring exception that Civilization will never touch that pisses me off, since 3 of the world's major religions are based on their influence.

 

[Duuk]

Side note: Although I'm tickled that Jerusalem is in game and is a defacto holy city for every religion. That's kinda nice.

 

[God of Kings]

Side note: Although I'm tickled that Jerusalem is in game and is a defacto holy city for every religion. That's kinda nice.

There goes the Hebrew civ, which could have used an interesting mechanic.

By the way, I bet that next week's teaser would feature the Cree writing system.

 

[Duuk]

There goes the Hebrew civ, which could have used an interesting mechanic.

By the way, I bet that next week's teaser would feature the Cree writing system.

My heart really wants a Hebrew civ. But I know they'll never add one.

 

[God of Kings]

My heart really wants a Hebrew civ. But I know they'll never add one.

Blame contemporary politics.

Hebrews are much less politically sensitive, but can still be viewed as politically sensitive to some.

 

[pgm123]

I have a mixed feeling of Italy as a civ. On the hand, Ancient Rome is only part of it's history. On the other hand, after fall of Rome, there was no real Italian state till XIX century. Some states located in the Italy (fully or partially) in between were very interisting (like Venice already shown in Civ5), but I don't see any of them deserving the name of being called Italian civilization. And having Italy as another "modern civ" while it's territory is already represented by the coolest ancient civ - this doesn't sound right.

Unless we count this?

 

[God of Kings]

Unless we count this?

Frederick Barbarossa said that he rules over Italy.

It means that Italy already has a leader, albeit one shared by Germany.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Frederick Barbarossa said that he rules over Italy.

It means that Italy already has a leader, albeit one shared by Germany.

While Philip says he rules Portugal. Those lines could be changed with new civ releases as needed.

 

[God of Kings]

While Philip says he rules Portugal. Those lines could be changed with new civ releases as needed.

Unfortunately, that line, along with Frederick Barbarossa's line, are voiced. It would be quite expensive to bring their respective voice actors to re-record their lines. There's a reason why Sean Bean's numerous mispronunciations aren't fixed.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

While Philip says he rules Portugal. Those lines could be changed with new civ releases as needed.

As I mentioned before, Alexander calls himself Pharaoh and leader of the Greeks in his first meeting when Egypt and Greece came before him. That's not a problem.