[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

Well, the Ottomans got the Hammam in Civ4. That's the only game where they got a unique infrastructure. Rome already has a Unique Aqueduct district.

I'm sure many people will be pissed if the Ottomans don't make it to R&F, especially now that Georgia is in the expansion. :wallbash:[pissed]
I still see the Hammam replacing an entertainment or culture district building (or even as an unique 3rd tier holy site building) more likely than an unique CH. :p
 
Do you really think Ottomans would get an unique CH? Don't they usually get turkish baths or something as UB?

With the last UB locked in, I think Ottomans is just wishful thinking at this point.

This is the first game where we've had Districts, so that was never an option before... ;)

There's waaaay more to the Turks than baths, especially seeing as the Romans already have one. I think the Grand Bazaar is as good a fit for a unique CH as any (admittedly it would also work as a building). It being an improvement would be weird.
 
Ethiopia - rock-cut church
Ottomans - Grand Bazaar
Inca - Terrace Farm

I can dream... :p
Nay, Churches of Lalibela are wonder-worthy.
 
I still see the Hammam replacing an entertainment or culture district building (or even as an unique 3rd tier holy site building) more likely than an unique CH. :p

The Hammam replacing a Entertainment Complex building I can kind of get. But why a Theatre Square building? Or a Holy Site Building?
 
Nay, Churches of Lalibela are wonder-worthy.

They certainly are.

I'm rooting for either Ethiopia or Mali in Rise & Fall, and I just thought if EP's logic held, the churches (or Axumite stelae, although those are getting stale, since they were Ethiopia's UB in both previous instalments) make more sense as Improvements than Malian mud brick mosques do.
 
Is Quebec like Louisiana where Continental law holds? Under Common law they won't have a leg to stand on. Continental...I guess it'll depend on local statute law.
If Common law is the only jurisdiction they can file in, any lawyer worth his salt will tell them not to bother.

Not only will I enjoy playing the Cree, because they look to be an awesome civ, now I'm going to feel like a badboy rebel as I play them. Bonus! There is a niche for every type of civ player I guess.

Georgia is going to be fun too!
 
Based on this, here are my predictions on remaining possible civs:

- Inca: terrace farm improvement
- Ottomans: Bazaar CH replacement district
- Italian City-State civ: Piazza CH replacement district
- Mali/other Sehal civ: mud mosque improvement (likely a faith and science generator)
- Carthage: Cothon Harbor replacement

However it turns out, I do love improvements. I really push Granada if I can afford to.

Hmmm, 4 returning civs, then 2 new ones. Maybe the next 2 will be fresh civs, then?
 
They said on Twitter that there will be a Livestream on Thursday, but they haven't announced details yet.
 
They said on Twitter that there will be a Livestream on Thursday, but they haven't announced details yet.

I'm betting the move of the Livestream to Thursday instead of Wednesday has something to do with the Cree controversy....
 
Now that we know based on the Xpac features that UU's and UB's are out for the remaining 3 civs, are there any potential civs that we could reasonably rule out just on the basis of them not having a suitable UI/UD candidate?
 
If the Zulu are indeed in R&F it would be unsurprising for them to have an Ikhanda district replacing the Encampment, but I could also see Firaxis giving them a Kraal UI. Someone who knows more about Zulu culture than I do can probably think of more options as well.
 
If the Zulu are indeed in R&F it would be unsurprising for them to have an Ikhanda district replacing the Encampment, but I could also see Firaxis giving them a Kraal UI. Someone who knows more about Zulu culture than I do can probably think of more options as well.

I think an ikhanda is an obvious choice - as an enclosed pasture/settlement it is in fact a type of kraal. It could have some sort of adjacency bonus (+housing/food) for cattle/livestock/bonus resources.
 
You know, the more I think about it, the more I suspect Byz/Ottomans might be a separate DLC or held to the next xpac. After all, the part of the video where forces were attacking Georgia was meant to highly Georgia.

I'll still with my bet, but Ottomans I might hedge with Zulu.
 
I don't really see how the Ottomans could be skipped.

I mean they apparently weren't in 1 or 2; 3 and 4 only added in expansions. 5 was the only one where they were in Vanilla (and they were the least played Civ in vanilla per achievements - which is not surprising since they weren't great outside of the Janissary). So they don't appear overly high on Firaxis's priority list.I was assuming the existence of the Janissary from the Poland scenario made them more likely (they already have unit model), but I maybe that was originally intended as their only appearance!?
 
I mean they apparently weren't in 1 or 2; 3 and 4 only added in expansions. 5 was the only one where they were in Vanilla (and they were the least played Civ in vanilla per achievements - which is not surprising since they weren't great outside of the Janissary). So they don't appear overly high on Firaxis's priority list.I was assuming the existence of the Janissary from the Poland scenario made them more likely (they already have unit model), but I maybe that was originally intended as their only appearance!?

It's a question of "when" the Ottomans are going to be added to Civ6, not "if".
 
1) The thursday livestream is kind of proof there was supposed to be a Cree livestream last week that the controversy set fire to.
2) We really, really, really need Firaxis to say something about Post-RF DLC. Could someone who watches the Livestream try to fire off a question and get them to mumble something about it?

If there are post-RF DLC, it really changes the dynamic of what civs we can expect and how excited or disappointed we should be.

Example: Assuming RF is the only xpac and no further DLC, we'd have every right to be annoyed at no Byzantines, Ottomans, Zulu, etc.
Assuming 1 more xpac and no dlc, once the last 3 civs are announced for this one, we can basically carve in stone who will be in the xpac. (Ethiopia, Zulu, Ottomans, Byzantines, Carthage, Babylon, Portugal, 1 slot open to discuss).
Assuming 1 more xpac AND dlc, we get fun discussions
Assuming 1 OR MORE xpacs...
 
Really the only way they could continue to release DLC would be to design those Civs around the features from the base game right? Civ V didn't get any DLC after its first expansion probably because needing an expansion (essentially DLC in this day and age) to play other DLC could be problematic
 
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