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[gecko1234]

To: Russia
you are crazy your getting flogged in this war just accept my terms already.

To: Cathage
Stay out of my war, Im defending my ally from Spainish aggression and retaking my province that was stolen by Spain. This war isnt an act of aggression. You also have an MPP with me dont forget, of course I dont ask that you attack Spain after all in the hole last war I didnt receive any military or financial aid, despite this I helped Spain defeat its enemy and for this I had my territory stolen (10). So remain neutral in this war I dont expect your help I know to well it will not come. In the Russian war Russia declared war not me and I have offered very fair peace terms in fact despite the ability to destory Russia I offered to return territory something you didnt do when you made peace with Russia therefore it would be hipocritical to declare war on an ally over Russia. So are you going to declare war or declare neutrality?

 

[Jason The King]

To Britain

Your are mistaken, fool. I will not enter this war for Spain, they are strong enough to defeat you with a single assault, but I will to help my new and more loyal ally, Russia. When I signed peace with Russia a few turns back part of the arrangement is that I would form a defensive alliance with her. We agreed that all territories that rightfully belong to Britain, Austria or Spain would be returned. They were. And now you blatantly attack her while she is just coping with loosing half of her motherland.

How dare you say I am a hypocrite! The difference between our wars is that I did not attack Russia for no reason. They were no threat to you, but they were to me. And they were already at all out war with me by then. I took provinces so that they can compensate for the large amounts of money I lost during the war and mostly so that they could never threaten the homeland of Carthage through the means of a navy. You did not loose any money with war against Russia that was not brought upon by yourself.

I have not decided to openly declare war on you yet.

Carthage

 

[gecko1234]

To Cathage

Fair enough if Russia is the reason you are pondering declaring war fine. Perhaps you could then convince them to make peace. I offered a very fair peace treaty last turn of 10 gold and the war would be over. This would have compensated for my losses including several fleets that were destroyed much earlier in the war. Now despite my ascendency in this war I offer an exchange of a Prussian province (which is not Russian land but a result of their war that destroyed that nation) for my 2 Russian provinces. If I let Russia get away with this action of attacking me how can I be sure it wont happen again. Last war I got little or no help from my allies therefore I must make sure that when someone attacks me theyll never do it again. To pull out of Russia now without compensation would be spineless and send a message to the world that Britain can easily be threatened.

There was no real threat from Russia to you they was an entire country and a sea between you both. Yes there was a threat to Austria and Prussia and it was very nice of you to help those nations. I did loose fleets to Russia that were extremely vital to my defense at the time. If Russia had not been so buisy I am sure there would have been more damage. I am protecting the future of my nation and punishing unwarranted aggression. While you received an entire country and Southern Russia we received nothing for a war we didnt start I may be wrong but I dont think Russia attacked you rather the other way around. I continue to offer peace to Russia but it works to way to suggest I would give 2 provinces in return for nothing in a war I am easily winning and did not start is crazy.

 

[Jason The King]

To Britain

Friend, you are all tangled up. Stop drinking so much tea and get your mind straight. Who was Russia's and Vikingland's ally in the last war? Turkey. Does Turkey still exist because of their wrongful ways? No. Do you know why? Because Carthage honored their alliance with her allies.

If anything, you should give compensation to Russia. Russia will not loose the war, I assure you that. Continue your aggression now, and pay heavier reperations when you loose, or leave now and pay nothing. It is your choice.

Carthage

 

[gecko1234]

I understand you destroyed Turkey because of their attacks on your ally and hense you. Russia has attacked me I am not the aggressor so stop portraying me that way. I offered Russia a simple 10 gold in compensation they refused this would have made up for several fleets that they destroyed of mine that allowed the Vikings to land on my homeland. This is not aggression otherwise I wouldnt offer such lenient terms. Russia has already proved they cant defend themselves my terms are still the same Russian land for one prussian province. Russian aggression destroyed Prussia and I thinks its wrong they should profit from it, while their aggression didnt destroy me it damaged my country substantially. At a time when I was low on money and lacking fleets to defend my homeland they attacked destroyed many of my precious fleets. You said that your pact was a defensive one, Russia attacked me and atacking me would be purely an act of aggression a specially considering the offer of peace I have made.

Convince Russia to accept peace and there will be no need for war and we will put Russian crimes in the past. 2 provinces for 1 its a very fair deal, considering the position its in where I could take 2 provinces next season. Russia is still under the deluded belief that they are winning this war. If it continues Russia ay be destroyed although your armies may come to the rescue unfortunately it may be to late for Russia. It would take up 4 or 5 seasons for your military to help Russia substantially at this rate Russia wont exist because of her failure to use diplomacy, I dont want to destroy Russia but if the war continues i may have to.

 

[Jason The King]

Britain,

Your hugey underestimate Russia and her allies. Russia will not be defeated, I promise you that.

After the war ended for Russia, and her defeat signed, it was the end of all wars. You talk about how Russia did not use diplomacy. Hypocrite! Did you use diplomacy before you took a Russian province? No! Instead, you decided to attack right away, therfore being the aggressor. If you would have tried the diplomatic solution first, I possibly could have persuaded Russia. Instead, you attack right away, VOIDING all alliances I have with you, as you were the aggressor.

Carthage

 

[gecko1234]

Russia is in a precarious position it can hold maybe 4 turns at most. Your navy would take 2 or 3 turns to attack me and your army would take at least 4. If Russia is defeated and if this war countinues it will it wont matter if you defeat me Russia wont exist anymore. So when you liberate Russia it wont revert to Russian control as Russia will be destroyed.

Fine void your alliance with me does it make a difference when I needed help did either of my allies offer it? no. I would have helped you like i did Spain. Then you sign an alliance with a nation that attacked me unprovoked and was still at war with me and took his side in the war. It really brought a tear to all Briton's eyes when they heard this wonderful alliance was voided because Cathage took the side of the enemy who attacked because they had a defensive pact.

Peace is still offered though, a Prussian province which was taken through Russian aggression( which post war will be a Bitish protectorate under Prussian civil control) for Russian provinces.

Did Russia use diplomacy before attacking me no. Did you use dilpomacy when you had Turkey almost defeated no. You used diplomacy with Russia only when you had taken South Russia and didnt give back any land. At least I offer to give back Russian land instead of holding a gun at Russia's head and saying accept present boarders. You are the hipocrite i at least offer to return land you didnt, and lest I remind Russia didnt attack you like he did me.

 

[Jason The King]

Again, get your facts strait:

Russia did attack me.
I offered the current peace treaty I have now TURNS before I actually took the provinces.
I did help you in your war, I sent 2 fleets and I defeated your enemy's ally.
Holding Russian land is not to invade them when I want, but to keep them out of the Med. Sea.
I voided the alliance your war with Russia, meaning I don't have to come to your aid. Our alliance still exists, meaning if Vikingland decides to attack you I will aid you.
I did not make an alliance with Russia, I swore an oath to protect them while they rebuild.
Even if you take the whole of Russia, their government will be in exhile, possibly to Istanbul, and the culture and people will still exist.

 

[RoddyVR]

come on people. where is everyone.

i have orders from only 3 countries.
still need orders from
Britain
Spain
Austria
Italy

 

[gecko1234]

To: Russia
I will withdraw on one small condition in a PM Ive sent. I cant withdraw from province 63 this turn though and any attack on it until Ive withdrawn will be an act of war. It will take a couple of turns to find the finances needed to build a fleet their to transport my men. If you attack me again I wont be so nice.

To: Cathage
I will withdraw and sign peace on the following conditions:
COMPLETE neutrality in the war with Spain
A non aggression pact
and the withdrawing of the 2 fleets in the North Sea to any point south of H.

I cant accept anything less. That is the final offer of peace.

 

[TNG]

Do you have enough orders?

 

[erez87]

RODDY
PLEASE CANCEL THE ORDER OF MOVING INTO 63!
ok?

 

[RoddyVR]

ok, erez. you dont have to make the text bigger. i read every post anyway (most times more then once, lol).

still dont have orders from
Spain and Austria.

anyone know if Kennelly or Giovanni is off on vacation or something like that. i dont read the other games so if they said something in another game i wouldnt know about it.

 

[gecko1234]

Roddy use my peace orders with Russia not the war one.

 

[Giovanni Wine]

Sorry for late, I was indeed in vacation, I thought I have advised you, but maybe I didn't.. I don't know...

Anyway sending orders now, and sorry again

Saluti

 

[Giovanni Wine]

To: Italy
From: Austria

Next turn (not this one) we are going to move an army into Trieste, tell us if it is ok

 

[TNG]

it ok.

 

[Kennelly]

also will send orders in a few minutes,sorry

 

[RoddyVR]

well, i thought i got orders from everyone. but when i opened the messages it turned out that the one from KNAS was in answer to something about last turn, not orders for this turn.
so it turns out i didnt actualy have orders from Vikings.
since i didnt find that out till after i had done the orders for quite a few other countries i had to just leave Vikings where they are, fortunately they arent in any wars (that i know of).

sorry bout that KNAS, i thought that your last message to me message was orders.

TNG, them was some DIFFICULT orders to fill. not all your armies were on the shore, i did the best i could (which i think is prety good).

Kennelly, you tried buying new units for 25 gold when you only had 23, so you only got 4 new armies in 10 instead of 5. from how you worded your orders i get the impression that you were looking at last turns map when writing some of those orders.

Battles:

Territory 59
Left vacant by the British, this territory was an easy taken back by Russia.

Territory 8
The Spanish attacked the last mainland province of Britain's with all their armies out of 3 of 4 neighboring provinces. 11 armies attacking 9.
The British amries put up a hell of a fight against the supperior numbers of the Spaniards. Each of the first two days of the battle the British were able to destroy one more army then they lost thereby evening out the playing field. On the third day, both sides were tired of the prolonged battle and went into battle almost blindly, it was a "kill AND be killed type of day". every army was destroyed and the British retained control of the province.
Rolls: 6,6,5,4,3,2,2,2,1,1,1 vs 6,5,5,4,4,3,2,2,1 then 6,5,3,3,1,1 vs 6,5,4,3,2 then 4,4,4 vs 6,5,4

Gold to Spend
Russia 42
Vikings 18
Britain 28
France 0
Spain 27
Carthage 25
Italy 28
Austria 12
Prussia 0
Turkey 0

Russia got a LOT of gold from someone else, but 12 of it got embezled.
map on next post.

 

[RoddyVR]

at Jason's(edit: and Kennelly's) request, i changed the color of Carthage. on my computer the ships are a bit hard to see in the oceans, but then again my colors look different then everyone elses.

EDIT: map deleted to conserve server space. If you're reading the game and want to see the maps, please PM me, i have a zip of all the maps.