Role Play Challenge: The Amazon Queen

[CreeDakota]

He has two holy cities, I think he can rely on a religious economy to keep the cash flowing rather than pursueing Greatlibrary and Scientists.

Why is Sitting Bull the Next Target? All of his advantages are early, he alsways seems to fall horribly behind in tech in my games and become an easier and easier target over time.

I would prolly go HBR> trade Math > Construction> Round of Cats Then WAR. I think you will be able to get Math in trade easy. Construction I oftern find the AI hoards.

Machinery is pricey, but your land looks pretty dry, will you get much benefit from the windmill option? Everytime I have gotten X-Bows Early I have been disapointed, they are kinda hammer heavy and dont really crush walled archers anyway.

EDIT: Man I Posted too slow again! Well at least I dont have to wait to see what you do?!

 

[huerfanista]

And then out of nowhere massive was erupted within the continent.

I HATE when massive was erupts out of nowhere.

I'd go for hammi next. His land will fit nicely next to Bull's, and you really don't want to have a long border with him - it'll promote a DOW from him eventually. I always try to take out the strongest rival first. Great job, as usual.

 

[CreeDakota]

I would go with the HE in Capital. I dont think you need the GLibrary.

Keep making trades as fast as you can, before you get demanded out of your techs anyway. In fact leading in Production is prolly a better strategy under your rules than leading in commerce.

War against Hammy. He is in the allready Jewish Camp, you might as well keep your -1 diplo points lumped into one camp

 

[Inspector Dex]

Cathy demanded Bronze Working which I gave her. To do this she must have had alphabet. I had Metal Casting from the Oracle and initiated the metal casting for alphabet trade. Cathy never demanded metal Casting I never said no to any of her requests.

Doh! I thought the bronze working picture was the metal casting one. My apologies.

 

[madscientist]

Doh! I thought the bronze working picture was the metal casting one. My apologies.

No problem. You had me puzzled as I did not purposely break a rule although I do forget on occasion!

 

[Der Graf]

I'd go after Hammy after finishing the Bull. And wouldn't Boudica just LOVE the HE in her capital ?
It's christmas time after all and that'd be a shiny gift to the queen, don't you think ?

What about the GL in Cahokia ?
Looks like a decent production site and has some forrests waiting for the chop, if necessary.

 

[semirami]

The Great Library, blah. The Queen doesn't care for books, she wants blood! Build HE in Bibracte ASAP, Mad.

 

[Loki Strikes]

I'd go after Hammy after finishing the Bull. And wouldn't Boudica just LOVE the HE in her capital ?
It's christmas time after all and that'd be a shiny gift to the queen, don't you think ?

What about the GL in Cahokia ?
Looks like a decent production site and has some forrests waiting for the chop, if necessary.

Looking at it I agree, Cahokia has good production, and more importantly 2 pigs, 1 wheat, so GL + NE in Cahokia makes good GP farm, put HE in Capital, spirit of the game and it seems a good move.

 

[torchic21594]

Definitely put the HE in the cap, and continue to roll over everyone. If you do so the game will be a piece of cake.

 

[madscientist]

The Amazon Queen: Part V

Boudica knows you all. You want bloodshed, you want violence, you want backstabbing. well you got it all! welcome to A Celtic Christmas!!!!!

I started off by asking our Amazonian if she wanted to Great Library in the capital. She reared back her fist and BAM. I got the idea, and we built the Heroic Epic in Bribrate!.

We attempted the Great Library in one of the southern cities and came within 2 turns of completing it. The hell with it, who needs scientists!

We started the segment by making an early trade

we continued to pound on Sitting Bull, aiming for his core cities and getting a littel help from Charles who also declared on SB

At this point SB has only one accessable city for us to attack.

Meanwhile we got this request from Isabella

We adopt it and are Buddhist sisters with 3 of our 4 Sisters.

Our techpath was simple: Guilds/Engineering/Banking/start Gunpowder. Liberalism race, who needs it.

The AP was built by a Buddhist Sister

we voted for Hatty who is the least likely to drag us into unwanted wars.

So back to the Bull

Right now we cannot get to his other cities due closed borders. So we opted for

SB vassaled to Charlemagne the next turn. He offered Vassalage to Boudica but we want no ties to this trash.

we then got this request

ONTO the HRE!

And this request was right up our alley although I still need to get Buddhism to the capital

Prague fell real fast

Although we spent most of this war repelling counter attacks and slaughtering lone Holy Roman Troops to reduce Charles power numbers!

After teching Guilds we find we have a monopoly

Since the Sisters will be demanding it soon enough we trade it for Civili Service/Philosophy/Paper/480 gold and a map.

OK, now we see the entire picture. Hammurabi to the east pretty well contained. A few HRE cities left and SB on an island off shore. I say these protective/agressive males get cut down to size then hit the others with rifles/cannons/cavalry if possible.

First things first

We definitely need to take out that capital, however Charles has a significant force attacking one of Bull's former cities so we

Bide our time with a shortlived peace. We build a decent force of knights which came in real handy.

We did manage to get a Prophet out of the capital which we used to shrine the Hindu holy city and help our economy.

Soon Charles takes the Russian city of Rostov and Cathy declares peace

And apprently Cathy has the same ideas as Boudica, always messing with the guys

Sure we'll attack the Khmerian slime.

Which prompted

The thing is that we were not prepared for this. However, we managed to bring some new knights to the Rostov area as Charles was trying to bring his cutoff troops home. Using flanking knights we decimated his fleeing troops, doing flanking damage and destroying all his catapults.

We then took Rostov easily.

This was a big help as it took alot of Russian culture pressure off our western borders. Sure, let Cathy pressure her former city all she wants!

To Be Continued

 

[madscientist]

The Amazon queen: Part V continued

We got what we could once we teched engineering

Meanwhile we assault the HRE capital

Isabella also sees the wisdom of joining the attack on Charles.

Which FINALLY prompted this

Boudica is a one tough leader but a 2 fronted war in the middle Ages are a bit much.

So we finished off The HRE capital

And sued for peace

We immediately send all knights to the eastern front however the attacks from Hammurabi were rather week. Agressive leader? Bah, he's the whimpiest Agressive leader in the game.

So what are we up against

Not that much land for the Babylonian King.

Hammurabi did assault one of Sb's former cities which we defended.

However we lost one

No great loss here. It was tough to keep anyway and we can retake it later once we eliminate all that culture pressure. Hammy also has 1 lone city near Hatty which he tried to send a force of HAs/catapults from which was shredded by our knights.

Once we got Banking we traded it arround As Much As Possible

We regrouped and brought our force of Gallics/Axes from the western front to the eastern, aiming at Hammurabi.

Only when faced with this force did he consider moving to the negotaiation table.

I saved here and have NOT accepted his offer. Do we just continue the war and eliminate Hammurabi NOW, or wait and remove Charles first? Right now Charlemagne is pleased with us (favorite civic and shared state religion) and at war so I think him and his three pathetic cities can wait. I really think it's time to end the Babylonian menace in the east.

Once again Babylonia

Techs

Not so bad for a leader with NO economy skills!

So there you have it! Do we direct all our forces against Hammurabi now???

 

[MrGreed]

Kudos for taking the time to make these threads up, makes for entertaining/educating reads.

Question: I can't really do better than mid of the pack in my Monarch games and I'm baffled how EVERYONE posting here just rules the score board...

Is taking an enemy capital ASAP (Sal in this instance) a necessary and established strategy?

I always play with aggresive AIs on, is this game using that rule?

That strategic advisor panel is sweet! What mod is that?

Edit: I always play with 18 AIs too... generally on small maps because I hate (end of turns) > 10 secs

 

[madscientist]

Kudos for taking the time to make these threads up, makes for entertaining/educating reads.

Question: I can't really do better than mid of the pack in my Monarch games and I'm baffled how EVERYONE posting here just rules the score board...

Is taking an enemy capital ASAP (Sal in this instance) a necessary and established strategy?

I always play with aggresive AIs on, is this game using that rule?

That strategic advisor panel is sweet! What mod is that?

Edit: I always play with 18 AIs too... generally on small maps because I hate (end of turns) > 10 secs

Thanks for following the RPCs!

Taking the enemy capitals early are NOT really needed, HOWEVER...

Agressive AI, 18 leaders on a small map means all normal rules are thrown out! That my friend is truely an insane game! But my opinion on agressive AI is that it's easier once you get a larger empire. AIs generally leave you alone if you are stronger (and bigger), they tech poorly (because they are trying to kill everyone), and do not recover well from a crashed economy.

 

[Commodore Nate]

Crush Babylon!

 

[nbcman]

@madscientist

You have your main attacking army in Babylon now-so keep going against Hammy.

 

[JammerUno]

Making sure there will never again be a war fought on two fronts seems nice. Hammy surely won't stand up to that stack you have there. This war could be over in no time at all.

 

[Der Graf]

That's a celtic christmas I like so far

So there you have it! Do we direct all our forces against Hammurabi now???

We do, I say !
Show Rabster the rage of an amazon queen and get him out of your back.

 

[Capellan]

It's time to cook some Xmas Ham(murabi) if you ask me.

 

[Feyaria]

Spoiler :

40 AD Aesthetics
100 Drama, Hatty builds Temple of Solomon, 57% are Judaism
200 selling Aesthetics to my sisters before they can demand it and to open trade for Drama+Lit
230 Literature
240 trading Drama+Literature to Cathy, hatty and Vicky for Code of Laws, Metal Casting and Money
250 Great Lib in Bibracte (chopped) National Epic next. As i have enough troops a bit of wonderspamming in the capital
250 Babylon destroyed, now ~25% land and pop
290 all plantations on calendar resources are finished, happy cap is ~20
320 War against Charlemange
380 second Bronze is discoverd in Bibracte
390 Music, Great Artist bulbs Theology (nobody wants to trade it yet), trade for Feudalism
400 capture Aachen with the Pyramids!
480 Great Prophet, dont want to bulb Divine right, so i keep him for a Golden Age
500 GA -> Representation/Vasallage
500 Paper, trade for maps and find Sitting Bulls last city on the northern island
520 Mansa Musa becomes Vasall of Cathy
525 trade for civil service and Compass
535 Cathy want be to go back to HR, ok i am running only a few specialists anyway and are still in the Golden Age
550 Isabella demands Feudalism, ok
570 Philosopy, trade for Machinery
575 upgrade my 3 GG to macemans, no money to upgrade other troops
580 Scientist bubls part of Education
595 Victoria wants paper, now she is pleased.
600 Holy Roman destroyed
605 Catherine wants Philosophy, ok
630 Sitting bull dead! 3 Male left: Mansa Musa, Pacal and Sury.
635 Isabella wants to stop trading with Cathy, but thats not possible
640 finished Apostolic Palace, I get voted, Judaism now at 65%
700 Isabella wants me to go Theocracy, 3 Turns anarchy and Uni of Sankore is 1 turn to finish... naturaly i loose it.. so now i have some money to upgrade some gallics to maces.
720 War against Pacal starts, Pacal and Catherine are friendly.. i think you all know want next turn will happen....
725 Catherine declares war (her vasall Mansa too), and brings Victoria joins.
730 upgrading arachers to Longbows and whipping some walls+castles in border cities, Cathy throws her stack against a +100% defense city, only effect is: Longbow goes form CG II to CGIII + Combat I
735 loosing most of my remainig Gallic and Axes to Crossbows and Maces, but i didnt have the money to upgrade anyway
775 Education, Scientist bulbs part of Printing Press
785 I use AP for peace with Vicy, Mansa breaks free
805 Printing Press, science slider goes from 20% to 30%, Liberalism next, will be finished ~900 AD
820 Peace with Mansa, will deal with him later
825 4th GG, settled in Cahokia, building Heroic Epic there.
830 Pacal destroyed, only 2 Male left
Power Rating: 902000, best rival: 440000
18 Million People in 31 cities

I am only in war with Cathy now, i need to take a few cities from her to secure a land path to Mansa and Sury, not sure she will open border after peace.

I was too lazy for pictures, but here is the save:View attachment Mad Scientist-boudica AD-0830.CivBeyondSwordSave

some non-spoilering comments:
-My Guerilla III, Tactics Warlord (80% retreat chance) worked realy well, perfect to damage/kill the top defender.

- not beeing able to trade with Mansa Musa is the realy hard thing in this game

- even Sitting Bulls super-archers are no match for Boudicas Gallic Warriors, got him down to one island city without catapults. Guerilla III for 50% withdraw (need only 4 XP!) to damage the defender, then CR gallic to mop up. with only few defenders in a city, thats sometime more hammer effectiv then sacrificing a catapult.

- RPC rules lead to a very long frontline to Vicky and Cathy, in a normal game, Victoria would have been the second target after saladin, to get my back free.

- Beeing forced to trade, its not possible to have a tech advantage, Mansa Musa ensures, everyone is at tech parity very soon. So the strength will be in numbers and promotions (good that Boudicas army gets so many promotions)

- Civics are locked in HR (Catherine) and Theocracy (Isabella). Victoria favors Representation and Hatty wants OR, but these two are not so demanding.

- Razing a city is not an option on this crowded map, a razed city will be resettled by a near AI within a few rounds.

- I am wondering if the land of all the males will be enough for domination.

 

[DMOC]

I think Cathy and the other ladies have gotten enough land to counter a domination win by male-conquests only.