Ruff02 - Concurrent Succession Game

[bobrath]

I guess I rarely think of oblisks unless I've just been beat to both religions AND stonehenge. Too bad we just came out of a war with an atheist! We need to get some religious spread going on, it will help our culture and will bring many more resources into the fold.

 

[pholkhero]

I guess I rarely think of oblisks unless I've just been beat to both religions AND stonehenge. Too bad we just came out of a war with an atheist! We need to get some religious spread going on, it will help our culture and will bring many more resources into the fold.

I hear ya ~ FWIW, the Missionary i was building in Delhi was destined for kara.

 

[ruff_hi]

Votes (according to an unofficial audit) ...

• pholkhero
• bobrath voted for pholkhero
• Mutineer votes for skipping this whole round (see below) and see here for his 'missed opportunity'
• chriseay voted for pholkhero
• Spinoza
• knupp715
• Ruff_Hi voted for pholkhero
• radiopill voted for pholkhero

 

[Mutineer]

I have to say that My official voite going to no one, for the fact that everyone miss winning opportunity.

 

[pholkhero]

re: the "missed oppurtunity"

I noticed the main mistake all people doing in succession games. They rarelly have plan and vision spawned more then local optimisation or what to research next.

I can't speak for everyone, but, far more than playing the perfect game of Civ, SG's are for companionship and an enjoyable experience w/like-minded folks.

@ Muti ~ why don't you just play all the rounds, and email us w/detailed reports of exactly what we did wrong; it might be more fun for you ~

 

[bobrath]

I have to say that My official voite going to no one, for the fact that everyone miss winning opportunity.

I appreciate the learning opportunity this game represents and for the new ideas and tactics that everyone has already brought here. So a huge thank you for taking the time to explain thoughts and reasons behind the strategies.

That being said, Mutineer this SG is based on choosing the best save out of the turns that were played. Choosing to vote for no one is not a valid choice. I appreciate that in your eyes the turns that were played all made mistakes. Of course you made a mistake in not playing when it was your turn. We as a group have to make the best of the mistakes that are made.

SO of the three choices available to you, which save do you find to be the best?

 

[knupp715]

The turnsets were very close. Only two things really stood out to me. I'm voting for Pholk for those two reasons:

1. It looks like he got the collossus out quicker by chopping. I don't think the others did this.

2. He left our economy much better than other saves. Though I don't agree with disbanding axes (warriors yes, axes no) he did a great job at getting our economy stable for the moment.

pholkhero
bobrath voted for pholkhero
Mutineer votes for skipping this whole round (see below) and see here for his 'missed opportunity'
chriseay voted for pholkhero
Spinoza
knupp715 voted for pholkhero
Ruff_Hi voted for pholkhero
radiopill voted for pholkhero

btw Mutineer: you're proposed tech plan sounded really good, better than the others and I agree with you that it wasn't the best decision to research masonry. What's done is done though so no need to get angry. You can still follow your tech plan in the next round.

 

[pholkhero]

I shall post the save tonight.

 

[chriseay]

1. It looks like he got the collossus out quicker by chopping. I don't think the others did this.

While I agree with your vote, and I didn't chop the Colossus, I did speed it along a bit by whipping. I don't know if this is a better choice, probably not, but I did get it out faster than otherwise. Just wanted to point that out, for what it's worth.

 

[knupp715]

While I agree with your vote, and I didn't chop the Colossus, I did speed it along a bit by whipping. I don't know if this is a better choice, probably not, but I did get it out faster than otherwise. Just wanted to point that out, for what it's worth.

Ah Okay. Thanks for pointing that out. As long as you didn't whip it for a lot of pop (more than 2) than you probably did make a good choice.

I also forgot to mention that all saves look like they have been doing a lot of whipping. I think we are getting to the point where it is better now to let our cities grow and work cottages. We need for them to mature to get our GNP up. I'd like to start expanding before our continent gets eaten up by the AI's and we don't have the money to do so yet. I don't really see the point of whipping now unless its a granary or lighthouse in which case the pop will be recovered whipping.

 

[pholkhero]

here you are all

 

[bobrath]

Actually... I only think I whipped twice during my turns! Its all good. looking forward to next group's outcomes.

 

[Mutineer]

OK, I finished my turns.


Research wize.
If we learn Masonry, then we need to use it to max advantage.
Change research to
Politheism-Monotheism- (revolted to orgonised religion)-
Mathematics-literature(we did research masonry, we better use it for a max)-
Monarchy (die in one turn).

Open border to hatty.
Build and town development wize.

Deli- build bunch of cottagess, grow city with max speed.

Karachorum - build a bunch of farms to speed up it grow. It should be our industrial centre.
Finished ligthouse-monastery-acveduck-harden garden-library (in building)

New towns with exess food- whiped granaries-forges-ligthouses.
Towns with our exec food were building missionaries and boats of new and future cities.

One setler running to found, one more in 2 turns.

Missionaris spread buddism to all our cities and to hatty.
It is Hatty not bismark. Bismark allredy buddist and we do not need to help him to use orgonised religion to max. Hatty in other hand would not use buddism, just provide as with income and information.

 

[Mutineer]

Additional picture

 

[Mutineer]

Just because I want to illustrate difference I add this unofficial entry.
It was played after my official entry 40 turns from previous Ruff save.

Spoiler :

This entry was using Non Masontry Prophet strat. IN this one we got civil service 5 turns (I think) ago. I even researched Mathematic and masonry ofter that for easier compare.
This entry was using Non Masontry Prophet strat. IN this one we got civil service 5 turns (I think) ago. I even researched Mathematic and masonry ofter that for easier compare. We allredy have monarhy in this safe.

Second diference is demonstration of big use of farm and there advantages.
I sort of can show it in 20 turns, but in 20 turns difference is not notisable enoght yet.
I actially made some mistakes here, as I was not as carefull as useal, but still come on top.

 

[radiopill]

I have done my turn... not a lot of action... I don't know what have happen with my autolog, but I can't find the log, fortunately I have some notes.

Spoiler :

So for the tech path, after Math, I was gone for Poly, and then Litteracy. After that (11 turn later) I searched Currency, and Calendar (due in 3 turns) for the silk and the incense.

I spread buddism in most of our cities, I forgot Turfan... But our religion spread spontaneously to most of Bismarck's cities.

Socrates appeared in Dehli, so I build an academy in Dehli.

For the infra:
aqueduct in Dehli, library in karak (market due in 13 turn, karak MM for growth), lighthouse and library in madras, turfan library done and granary (due in 8 turns)... and I done the Great Library in Karak.

On the diplomatic side:
Hatty ask for currency... I say no!
Bismarck trade us Pig for Ivory, I accept as he didn't have construction for the moment.

A settler is ready near Karak, I didn't move it, so the next player can choose our next city... probably in the south peninsula.

 

[ruff_hi]

Round 3 - Group 2
Mutineer - reported
Spinoza - ??
knupp715 - ??
Ruff_Hi - about to report
radiopill - reported

 

[ruff_hi]

This was a fairly dull 20 turns, especially compared to my last 20. No one would trade anything with us although I did trade some ivory for bacon with Freddy. I researched Calendar (for plantations) and Literature (for the Great Library). I also worked on spreading our religion to all of our towns (completed) and finished two settlers (see pictures below). I don't think we should build the corn/fish town just yet due to finances - wait until we have some courthouses up and running. The fishing village must be done to stop Freddy (see pictures below).

Here is the state of our nation (@ 70% research) …

Here are some unit actions I would recommend …

Here is our other future town …

And, lastly, here is a warning about the state of our back yard …

Spoiler turnlog :

----------------------------New entries----------------------------
Turn 120 (125 AD)
Delhi finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Bombay grows: 3

Turn 121 (150 AD)
Delhi begins: Buddhist Missionary
Madras finishes: Granary
Karakorum finishes: Obelisk

Turn 122 (175 AD)
Madras begins: Lighthouse
Karakorum begins: Library
Axeman defeats (5.00/5): Barbarian Warrior
Bangalore finishes: Lighthouse

Turn 123 (200 AD)
Bangalore begins: Fast Worker
Bangalore begins: Library
Madras grows: 4

Turn 124 (225 AD)
Buddhism has spread: Bangalore
Tech learned: Mathematics
Delhi grows: 9
Delhi finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Bombay finishes: Forge
Turfan grows: 3
Turfan finishes: Library

Turn 125 (250 AD)
Research begun: Calendar
Delhi begins: Buddhist Missionary
Bombay begins: Granary
Turfan begins: Granary
Karakorum grows: 5
Karakorum's borders expand

Turn 126 (275 AD)

Turn 127 (300 AD)
Buddhism has spread: Karakorum
Bangalore begins: Galley
Bangalore grows: 3

Turn 128 (325 AD)
Axeman defeats (5.00/5): Barbarian Warrior
Delhi finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Madras grows: 5

Turn 129 (350 AD)
Delhi begins: Settler
Turfan's borders expand
Karakorum finishes: Library

Turn 130 (375 AD)
Karakorum begins: Settler
Delhi begins: Work Boat

Turn 131 (400 AD)
Delhi grows: 10

Turn 132 (425 AD)
Tech learned: Calendar
Madras grows: 6
Turfan grows: 4
Bangalore finishes: Galley
Taoism founded in a distant land

Turn 133 (450 AD)
Research begun: Polytheism
Delhi finishes: Work Boat
Bombay grows: 4
Madras finishes: Lighthouse
Bangalore's borders expand

Turn 134 (475 AD)
Madras begins: Library
Buddhism has spread: Turfan
Tech learned: Polytheism

Turn 135 (500 AD)
Research begun: Literature
Madras grows: 4
Madras finishes: Library

Turn 136 (520 AD)
Madras begins: Galley
Kaylgrin Biecon (Great Prophet) born in Delhi

Turn 137 (540 AD)
Turfan finishes: Granary

Turn 138 (560 AD)
Turfan begins: Forge
Tech learned: Literature
Madras grows: 5

Turn 139 (580 AD)
Research begun: Code of Laws
Delhi finishes: Settler
Bombay finishes: Granary
Karakorum finishes: Settler

Turn 140 (600 AD)
Delhi begins: Work Boat
Bombay begins: Library
Karakorum begins: The Great Library

 

[knupp715]

Might as well skip me. Sorry I didn't post earlier. I only played 2 turns and I don't have the time to play now. I'll play next round. Sorry again.

 

[ruff_hi]

Ok - so we have three options to discuss and vote on. Any comments anyone?