Ruff08 - The AI Shuffle

[DMOC]

Don't forget to keep spamming useless settlers in your city and try to fill in the 1-tile gaps on the maps like the AI would do.

 

[Meiz]

Ralph, you know you have this, right?

 

[Ralph_Jackson]

D'Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

That transates to apologies, hadn't spotted I was up.

Will play & report tomorrow.

Ralph

 

[JujuLautre]

Lurker's comment: shouldn't you have positive bonus for peace? (I believe it's +1); and/or for fair trade ?

 

[r_rolo1]

Yeah, AI making fair trades with humans

 

[Ralph_Jackson]

Stuck very much with the Ai recommendations this turn, so if it turns out badly. Remember “I blame Sid”

Following the worker we stuck with the strict every other build Military rule and started on an Axe, which was then followed by a temple.

Now I might be reading this wrong but the AI seemed to be suggesting cottaging the Iron as an alternative to mining it, but its is now hooked up

AN interesting choice came up in Lyon and we are going with the Parthenon which sits fairly well with Representation and will help the culture battle

We lost the Zeus race which is no real loss

And Zara and Roosie are being real wonder hogs this game

After Calendar we opted for construction which the AI recommended for growth (presumably for Aqueducts) although we may turn this tech into a more militarily useful one methinks..

Our worst enemy is doing her world famous impression of a “Bulldog chewing a wasp” so this request was naturally turned down. We like girls but not ugly ones..

Happily Boudi (who we definitely think is hot) has joined the one true Hindu faith so is a how shall we say Bosom buddy now....

We stopped when our capital pooped its GP as it would have been interesting if it was a GE but a scientist for an Academy isn’t bad..

And to showcase Ruff’s super graphs you can see Hammy temporarily losing his capital RED

And also we are slightly ahead of Elizabeth in power and if we can only get a bit more powerful YELLOW it would feel like war might start crossing our sneaky AI Mind..

Here is where we are tech wise and a spot for the settler due in 2 from Paris..

Cheers

Ralph

 

[Ralph_Jackson]

• Hammurabi: Pleased (+5)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o thinks we are small [-1]
o shares our religion [+4]
o Open Borders [+1]
o Close Borders bring tension [-2]
o Gave into our demands [+4]

• Boudica: Cautious (+3) but begininng to flirt

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o woman [+1]
o Hot [+1]
o France has always had a soft spot for the celts [+1]
o Open Borders [+1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o Shares religion [+1]

•
Isabella: Cautious (-3)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o woman [+1]
o different religions [-3]

•
Zara Yaqob: Cautious (-2)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o thinks I am tall [+1]
o open borders [+1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o different religions [-2]

• Elizabeth: Annoyed (-9) <- Worst Enemy!!

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o woman [+1]
o But only just [-1]
o different religion [-3]
o English and for some reason I hate the English [-3]
o Made an outrageous demand [-2]

• Roosevelt: Annoyed (-5)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o he looks down his nose at me [-1]
o He has a better starting position that we do [-1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o different religions [-2]
o Open Borders [+1]

• Tokugawa: Annoyed (-6)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o he looks down his nose at me [-1]
o hides behind his borders [-1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o different religions [-2]

 

[Meiz]

Nice turns and that's a good city spot so we just have to hope that Sid agrees War against England seems to be more fitting all the time.

 

[ruff_hi]

Nice. The only problem with WAR against England is that she is miles away. I agree we should start beefing up, but we might want to organize our side of the land to fight against the other side ... ie unlease Boudica!

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[Ralph_Jackson]

The only problem with WAR against England is that she is miles away. I agree we should start beefing up,

Have to remember that if we are going to follow how the AI would play some irrational things are going to happen.. My feeling is we can use "human" tactics to gain an edge but should let our AI charachter drag us into "non-optimal" wars.

Ralph

 

[Meiz]

Have to remember that if we are going to follow how the AI would play some irrational things are going to happen.. My feeling is we can use "human" tactics to gain an edge but should let our AI charachter drag us into "non-optimal" wars.

Ralph

Exactly my thoughts

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Sorry guys, had a busy week end ...

got it for tomorrow... let's build military for Liz...

Do we (euh... does the AI) have a plan for the GS? I am thinking academy or settle somewhere as the AI never keep a GP for latter bulb (did they even bulb???)...

 

[Sweetacshon]

lurker: Surely the AI like to have 3-4 academies.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Hi guys

IHT: trage incense against gems to Zara (+1 relations, "you provided us resources"). Switch to OR ("might as well leverage organized and build big monuments in the honor of my magnificence!" thought Bonaparte...)

t133: Our scouts spot LBs in Notthingham, let's buid some more troops

Spoiler :

We make an academy in Rheims (gems city)...

Spoiler :

We also trade monarchy against Aesthetics to Boadicee (+1, fair trade)

Spoiler :

t134: Izzy wants to trade Calendar against 35 gold... No thanks! I am about to put a -1 diplo "it must be a joke!" but decide against it (probably to please Josephine)...
Roosevelt gets a GS.
Rheims starts an archer and Paris a worker (it's my human intervention, I votoed some crappy build).

t135: Construction is in, we start Litterature ("my people needs something to read so they don't pay too much attention to what I am actually doing" thought Nappy this turn)

Spoiler :

Taoism is found in San Fransisco... i guess the AI has its bulb moment too
The AI blessed us with a blue circle in the right place for the remaining site:

Spoiler :

t136: Roosevelt builds S.Paya.
Orelans -> worker, tours -> granary.

t137: We settle Marseille (the english translation for some reason put 's' at the end of each french city name ):

Spoiler :

... which starts on a monument.

t138aris -> catapult

t139: Litterature is in... We start COL

Spoiler :

Marseille hears about "christians"... let's keep the true faith...
Paris -> Glibrary, Tours -> Catapult

t140: OMG, look at this stack...

Spoiler :

Orleans -> cat, Rheims -> barrack

t141: Zara builds the Hagia Sophia... and gets a GE (lucky boy)
Liz goes into vassalage...

t142: Zara builds the AP.
t143: Tours starts another catapult.
t141: I stop to let the next player completes the Parthenon...
GL due in 3 turn. COL in 2.

Techs:

Spoiler :

Diplo:

• Hammurabi: Pleased (+5)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o thinks we are small [-1]
o shares our religion [+4]
o Open Borders [+1]
o Close Borders bring tension [-2]
o Gave into our demands [+4]

• Boudica: Cautious (+4) about to fall in love

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o woman [+1]
o Hot [+1]
o France has always had a soft spot for the celts [+1]
o Open Borders [+1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o Shares religion [+1]
o Fair trades [+1]

• Isabella: Cautious (-3)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o woman [+1]
o different religions [-3]

• Zara Yaqob: Cautious (-1)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o thinks I am tall [+1]
o open borders [+1]
o You provided us with luxuries! [+1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o different religions [-2]

• Elizabeth: Annoyed (-9) <- Worst Enemy!!

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o woman [+1]
o But only just [-1]
o different religion [-3]
o English and for some reason I hate the English [-3]
o Made an outrageous demand [-2]

• Roosevelt: Annoyed (-5)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o he looks down his nose at me [-1]
o He has a better starting position that we do [-1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o different religions [-2]
o Open Borders [+1]

• Tokugawa: Annoyed (-6)

Spoiler :

o not French [-1]
o he looks down his nose at me [-1]
o hides behind his borders [-1]
o Made an outrageous demand [-1]
o different religions [-2]

Cheers

 

[Meiz]

Boudica and Isabella have enough on their hands. I wonder what the ladies are planning... Good to see that we are soon the owners of two shiny wonders but we really need to get more troops out. Spend your human interventions wisely

 

[ruff_hi]

got it - should be able to play tomorrow.

 

[ruff_hi]

[IMG=right]http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4108/Ruff08-0156.jpg[/IMG]
I am afraid that Napoleon is going to have to channel Greyfox here - and not just for 1 single turn, or for 1 single :whip:.

France is middle of the pack in score. It is way behind in tech - some other countries are sporting macemen and longbows (what every they are). We have build this lovely pyramid but we aren't making full use of it because OUR CITIES ARE TINY!

The happy cap is about 15 or 16 for most cities but we are playing as if they were 5 or 6 (see all those excess happy in the pic to the right?). I am calling on the mothers of France to have babies ... lots and lots of babies - grow you @#%^!@ cities.

Now, to the game - our present diplomatic situation is that we are Hammurabi's love child and Boudica's current toy-boy. Everyone else basically hates us ... lucky for us the feeling is totally mutual . The only problem with this is that Hammie and Boudica are even more pathetic that us on a score / tech basis.

Boudica is planning on doing something about that ... she is currently marching a force through our lands (4 x Galtic Warriors, 2 x Axe, 4 x Cat). She is applying the pointy stick method of tech research - lets see how she gets on.

I cancel our gems deal to Zorro and put in place a gems for fish deal with Boudica ... and now I am ready to start my set ...

CoL in (I select Civil Service due in 12)
Parthenon in
Great Library in

on the wonders and CoL. Horrible job on the CS due in 12 part - our tech rate is bad ... I hire a round of scientists slowing down the builds but speeding up the tech rate. I also look into the current tech situation with our enemies / friends and ... only get madder - almost everyone has currency and we don't. What is the world coming to!

Boudica has Feudalism but wants all of our techs for it (CoL, Lit and Mono). She'll just have to wait a while

Hammie suggests 260g for Horseback-riding ... ok, we could do with the cash.

Boudica declares on America!

Hammie will finally trade Currency and I flick him CoL plus 60 of his gold back for it. Also, something is seriously wrong here - that little worm Hammie is the most cultured civ on the planet ...

I left our wandering medic I archer in the war zone so that I could observe ... Boudica's war is going slowly ... but at least she is bombing down the defenses with cats before killer herself on the cities walls. The problem is that Roosevelt has got crossbows and longbows in New York now. Also, Lizzie pizzy pout-a-lot declares on Boudica. She and Roosie are best of buddies so she either saw an opportunity or was bribed into it.

CS comes in - got that 12 down to 8 or so. I haven't swapped civics yet as I have a suggestion for the team (again, more later). I trade for Feud with Boudica (sending her Mono and CService), trade for Metal Casting with Hammie (sending him CService). Screenshot of current tech position at bottom of report (note: from the turn we got Metal Casting, so Machinery is 'cannot trade').

I also have a swarm of workers at Rheims farming. They are also farming our new gems / fish city. Yes - farming. We must grow our cities, swap to Caste System and run lots and lots of scientists. France is moving to a specialist economy in some cities - other cities are on war duty!

And then ... the moment that every-one in the world knew was coming ...

Well - what do you think? Yes or No? YES, of course!!! I had seen this coming so moved our cats, axes and other offensive units over to our Iron city - only a few tiles away from Chicago. They are currently in position and just finished bombing down Chicago's defenses.

Current Situation ...

• We have a Great Scientist. Options are Golden Age, Pop Philosophy (religion already gone - Roosevelt) or Academy.
• Workers are roading, chopping jungle or farming. Grow those cities
• Civics are unchanged - suggest swap to Bureaucracy and Caste System - I did a round of the cities and whipped 1 or 2 on the last round
• Army in America's soil @ Chicago - note Boudica has some units on the way to help(?)

Spoiler log :

Logging by BUG Mod 3.5 [Build 1457] (BtS 3.13-3.17)
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Turn 144/500 (680 AD) [20-Jan-2009 11:54:05]

After End Turn:
Orleans finishes: Catapult
Lyons finishes: The Parthenon
Tours grows to size 3

Turn 145/500 (700 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:04:03]
A Farm was built near Lyons
Orleans begins: Worker (5 turns)
Lyons begins: Swordsman (5 turns)

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Code of Laws
Rheims grows to size 7

Turn 146/500 (720 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:07:03]
Research begun: Civil Service (16 Turns)

After End Turn:
Paris finishes: The Great Library
A Hamlet was built near Rheims

Turn 147/500 (740 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:09:24]
Paris begins: Axeman (5 turns)

Other Player Actions:
Hinduism has spread: Marseille

Turn 148/500 (760 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:12:52]
A Mine was built near Marseille

After End Turn:
Lyons finishes: Swordsman
Rheims finishes: Barracks

Turn 149/500 (780 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:14:37]
A Farm was built near Orleans
Lyons begins: Courthouse (6 turns)
Rheims begins: Courthouse (8 turns)
Rheims begins: Work Boat (5 turns)

After End Turn:
Orleans finishes: Worker

Other Player Actions:
Boudica (Celtia) declares war on Roosevelt (America)
Attitude Change: Roosevelt (America) towards Boudica (Celtia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Boudica (Celtia) towards Roosevelt (America), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'

Turn 150/500 (800 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:20:16]
Diplomacy: Hammurabi (Babylon) offers to trade Gold (260) to Ruff08 (France) for Horseback Riding
Diplomacy: Ruff08 (France) accepts trade of Horseback Riding to Hammurabi (Babylon) for Gold (260)
Tech traded to Hammurabi (Babylon): Horseback Riding
A Mine was built near Marseille
Orleans begins: Archer (3 turns)
Tech traded to Hammurabi (Babylon): Code of Laws
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Currency

After End Turn:
Tours finishes: Catapult

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Zara Yaqob (Ethiopia) towards Hammurabi (Babylon), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 151/500 (820 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:23:52]
Tours begins: Courthouse (8 turns)

After End Turn:
Paris finishes: Axeman
Lyons grows to size 5
Tours grows to size 4

Other Player Actions:
Elizabeth (England) declares war on Boudica (Celtia)
Attitude Change: Elizabeth (England) towards Boudica (Celtia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Boudica (Celtia) towards Elizabeth (England), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 152/500 (840 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:24:52]
A Mine was built near Tours
Paris begins: Catapult (8 turns)

After End Turn:
Orleans finishes: Archer
Rheims finishes: Work Boat

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Isabella(Spain) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 153/500 (860 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:28:04]
Diplomacy (War Request): Boudica (Celtia) asks Ruff08 (France) to declare war on Roosevelt (America); Ruff08 AGREES.
Ruff08 (France) declares war on Roosevelt (America)
Orleans begins: Catapult (5 turns)
Rheims begins: Catapult (8 turns)
Rheims begins: Courthouse (8 turns)

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Civil Service
Rheims grows to size 8
Tours finishes: Courthouse

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Elizabeth (England) towards Ruff08 (France), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Roosevelt (America) towards Ruff08 (France), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 154/500 (880 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:42:16]
Research begun: Philosophy (6 Turns)
Tours begins: Catapult (8 turns)
Tech traded to Boudica (Celtia): Civil Service
Tech traded to Boudica (Celtia): Monotheism
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Feudalism
Tech traded to Hammurabi (Babylon): Civil Service
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Metal Casting
Research begun: Machinery (5 Turns)

After End Turn:
Paris finishes: Catapult
Andrei Sakharov (Great Scientist) born in Paris
Marseille grows to size 2
Marseille finishes: Monument

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Hammurabi (Babylon) towards Ruff08 (France), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Attitude Change: Hammurabi (Babylon) towards Roosevelt (America), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Hammurabi(Babylon) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 155/500 (900 AD) [20-Jan-2009 12:45:59]
Catapult 1 (Orleans) (Catapult) promoted: Barrage I
Research begun: Machinery (4 Turns)
Paris begins: Forge (5 turns)
Marseille begins: Granary (10 turns)

Spoiler Tech situation ... :

 

[ruff_hi]

Save attached. Will update attitude and roster later tonight.

 

[r_rolo1]

 

[ruff_hi]

Hammurabi: Pleased (+7)

• shares our religion [+4]
• Open Borders [+1]
• Fair Trading [+2]
• Gave into our demands [+4]
• not French [-1]
• thinks we are small [-1]
• Close Borders bring tension [-2]

Boudica: Pleased (+8)

• woman [+1]
• Hot [+1]
• France has always had a soft spot for the celts [+1]
• Fair Trading [+2]
• Open Borders [+1]
• Shared Military Struggles [+2]
• Shares religion [+2]
• Made an outrageous demand [-1]
• not French [-1]

Isabella: Cautious (-3)

• woman [+1]
• not French [-1]
• different religions [-3]

Zara Yaqob: Cautious (-2)

• thinks I am tall [+1]
• open borders [+1]
• not French [-1]
• Made an outrageous demand [-1]
• different religions [-2]

Elizabeth: Annoyed (-11) <- Worst Enemy!!

• thinks I am tall [+1]
• woman [+1]
• not French [-1]
• declared war on a friend [-3]
• But only just a woman [-1]
• different religion [-3]
• English and for some reason I hate the English [-3]
• Made an outrageous demand [-2]

Roosevelt: Annoyed (-9)

• not French [-1]
• he looks down his nose at me [-1]
• He has a better starting position that we do [-1]
• Made an outrageous demand [-1]
• different religions [-2]
• This war is spoiling our relations [-3]

Tokugawa: Annoyed (-6)

• not French [-1]
• he looks down his nose at me [-1]
• hides behind his borders [-1]
• Made an outrageous demand [-1]
• different religions [-2]