Rule Proposal for turn progression.

[DaveShack]

I agree that we should have a target time for sending the turn and posting, but like others I have some reservations about possible penalties.

Do you skip people's turns in individual PBEMs because they are slower than the others? I can see this if someone disappears without warning, but not on a regular basis. The real place a penalty would be used is when a team is maliciously holding up the game, for example when in a losing position.

 

[Whomp]

K.I.S.S. abstains.

 

[Daghdha]

Yes, this was done in order to balance out the 24 hour fascism.

Fascism? ! My God you're going fast.

 

[Provolution]

WE do not have to punish the entire team for not posting in the turn tracker. This could very well be an individual punishment for repeated offenses, a personal warning initially done in public and private mail (we need this rule for the moderators to enforce it), however, we may put in place a personal quarantine for playing the save if it seems it is an individual problem, yet, if a team abuse ths rule by conssciously omitting the turn tracker posting in order to gain time and obfuscate the game, a slight team punishment may even be in place.

A first mistake/offense could be a slight hint, warning, advise and so on to the individual and team (personal warning, team advise).
Several could lead to a personal quarantine and where it severely messes up the game for other teams, a potential punishment could be considered for the team (maximum one skipped turn). This is a small rule, with small punishments, but critical to enforce for the accountability, documentation and public information of the game.

 

[Provolution]

I think we need the penalty system in place before the votes passes. Remember, this is still a discussion, where we all need to work out a better ruleset.

 

[Provolution]

I wonder if there are any valuable inputs on how to secure the turn tracker verification that most team members need in order to be certain who is holding the game.
If no one wants a rule here, we can as well remove the turntracker altogether.

 

[classical_hero]

The problem with this rule is that it is making posting in the turn tracker as important as playing the save, and thus any punishments as harsh. While it is good to post in the turn tracker, the most important thing is that you have played the save and sent it on. That is where each team should be mainy worried about. The turn tracker is needed by it is not vital to playing the game. It is best that the DP post in the turn tracker, so we can see the progress of the game.

 

[DaveShack]

Often people agree to do something without making it formal. Sometimes a formal agreement is required. There is no question that posting in the turn tracker should be required, so what we seem to be struggling with is how formal this needs to be.

 

[fe3333au]

I agree it should be second nature to post GPS on the thread ... some of us rely on the thread's posting report to inform of a save being received ...

I'd also suggest that saves can sometimes be sent and not turn up ... a GPS message can alert teams of this ...

and just to add another bent on the discussion, I would suggest that to make it important to post on the Tracker Thread, you could set the timing from notification on the thread ... this way all teams have access to this information

 

[Whomp]

I think K.I.S.S is all for posting to the tracker. What we are concerned about is the degree of the penalty. Taking a turn away is mighty harsh. I have not discussed this with the team but taking some gold away after a few warnings would be less harsh but still enough to make sure it's done.

 

[Provolution]

I am talking taking a turn away if someone fails to use the tracker 5-10 times.
If it gets messy in the tracker, the entire game will take a major dive.
Repeat negligence in the tracker definately deserves a lost turn, no doubt about it.
Yet, one or two mistakes is easily forgivable, please do not try to distort my message.

 

[RegentMan]

There are ten hours left in the voting period. The deadline is at 10:50am on Aug 14, 2005 PDT (GMT -7).

So far, here is how the voting stands:

Team Doughnut -
Team TNT -
Team M.I.A. -
Team K.I.S.S. - Abstain

 

[DaveShack]

Doughnut's poll doesn't close until 3:15 PM forum time Sunday.

 

[Provolution]

TEAM TNT support this rule and vote yes, according to our poll.

 

[classical_hero]

So far, our poll shows us abstaining, but this is not final yet. The opoll is not finished yet on our forum.

 

[ybbor]

MIA abstains.

 

[RegentMan]

With two teams abstaining, this amendment cannot get the 2/3 majority required to pass.

The teams are highly, highly encouraged to post in the turn tracker thread when they play the save, but there won't be any admin-given consequences if they fail to do so (other teams may lose respect for you, sometimes an even worse punishment).

 

[Provolution]

If the admins cannot handle this, I am sure the immortals will

 

[Bootstoots]

Not that it matters (given the abstentions), but Doughnut votes yes.

 

[Provolution]

TNT votes yes as well...

I would suggest that Teams MIA and KISS amend the proposal to their heart, and we rerun it, since we are so close to get 3/¤ or unanimity.

I say we rewrite this and include it.