Rumsfeld never said "we know where they are"

[Neomega]

The hecklers were being disruptive and speaking without being called upon, Ray McGovern was called upon to ask a question, and he did. He probably got through the Bush administration trademark audience screening by showing he had been in the CIA for 27 years.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

I'm amazed that anyone can still believe anything this POS says, much less defend him when caught in two flat-out lies.

I say we send him to Iraq so he can hunt down those WMD personally. Good luck Mr. Secretary.







Don't worry, he can go armed.








With a compass. And maybe some trail mix.

 

[Gelion]

Amadan for President.

Do you have anything to answer me? Or you admit that you were wrong?

 

[VoodooAce]

Do you have anything to answer me? Or you admit that you were wrong?

Admit being wrong? Pscht!! Basket, I suggest that you deny having been wrong, whether you were or not, then make up a bunch of stuff to support your argument....you know, like your boy Rummy.

 

[BasketCase]

Neither, Gelion. A poll I posted a while back proved that CFC'ers almost never (as in one out of eighty) quit posting either because they won or lost (one person voted "because I won" and NONE voted "because I lost". They quit posting because they got distracted or because of the sheer number of threads. Always remember that. CFC'ers never quit because they think they lost an argument.

Anyway, there appears to be a misquote up there. I'm quite certain you weren't replying to my nomination of Amadan for President. Please repost whatever question you're interested in, and I'll answer it.

 

[BasketCase]

If it's something to do with the getting-arrested-for-disturbing-the-peace bit, I should like to comment that Operation Rescue activists are also subject to arrest for chaining themselves together in a doctor's office and singing religious songs. As it should be.

 

[The Yankee]

Is that disturbing the peace or more like trespassing in a doctor's office?

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

People taken away for their opinions is the first sign of a police state. I thought that was not even disgusting.... I thought it was a proof of the situation in the US atm. The sad truth that I hoped was false.

You are looking at an orange and calling it a meatloaf. There is a time and place for all dissenting opinions. Anti-abortionists have to maintain a certain distance from abortion clinics, or they can be removed. Demonstrations must be registered. Parents yelling at their kids coaches or the referees/umpires can be removed from the game. Heckling a speaker can get you removed. However, there is still PLENTY of opportunity for discourse and people are not put in jail for their opinion.

 

[Gelion]

You are looking at an orange and calling it a meatloaf. There is a time and place for all dissenting opinions. Anti-abortionists have to maintain a certain distance from abortion clinics, or they can be removed. Demonstrations must be registered. Parents yelling at their kids coaches or the referees/umpires can be removed from the game. Heckling a speaker can get you removed. However, there is still PLENTY of opportunity for discourse and people are not put in jail for their opinion.

1. You'd make a proper Rumsfield.

2. What?




@Basketcase: My question was along the lines that "the guy was being arrested for his opinion and taken away after Rumsfield failed to answer his question. Isn't it an example of increased totalitarianism in America?"

 

[FriendlyFire]

I'm amazed that anyone can still believe anything this POS says, much less defend him when caught in two flat-out lies.

I say we send him to Iraq so he can hunt down those WMD personally. Good luck Mr. Secretary.

Don't worry, he can go armed.

With a compass. And maybe some trail mix.

A gun with a single bullet and a whole bunch of cyanid tablets.
(From the daily show)

 

[BasketCase]

@Basketcase: My question was along the lines that "the guy was being arrested for his opinion and taken away after Rumsfield failed to answer his question. Isn't it an example of increased totalitarianism in America?"

Nope.

When a public gathering is held, many municipalities have laws requiring that counter-demonstrators maintain such-and-such a minimum distance. The Supreme Court has seen fit to leave those laws as they are.

 

[Gelion]

Nope.

When a public gathering is held, many municipalities have laws requiring that counter-demonstrators maintain such-and-such a minimum distance. The Supreme Court has seen fit to leave those laws as they are.

Can you explain your point further?.... I.e. what laws and how do they apply here?

 

[BasketCase]

Laws stating that demonstrators from opposite parties must stay X feet apart or be subject to arrest. Laws stating that when a rally is held (i.e. one of those where you have to apply to the city for a permit), counter-demostrators must stay X number of feet away. Etc. The laws vary from one city to another, but the Supreme Court doesn't seem to have a problem with these laws.

There have been a number of lawsuits in which those counter-demonstrators contended that the boundary line compromised their freedom of speech. Free speech doesn't mean the Other Side should be forced to listen to you. When people take legal action along these lines, their goal is almost always the same: to make themselves heard and shut their opponents up.

A great example is that incident where a bunch of anti-war protesters showed up at a funeral for a soldier who died in Iraq a year or so ago. Another group of protesters (those Patriotic Riders or something) showed up and drowned out the first group of protesters. The anti-war protesters tried to sue. Problem is, if you have the right to protest, everybody else has the right to protest you.

We have the right to speak our opinions. We do NOT have the right to shove our opinions down other peoples' throats.

The thing I mentioned earlier about Operation Rescue shows that hecklers of every stripe are treated approximately the same way: if you make a fuss in an inappropriate place, the police do have the power to arrest you. Not for sedition or treason or whatever--you can only be arrested for disturbing the peace.

It is a step towards totalitarianism when only anti-government hecklers are arrested. Hate to let you down, G, but it's not happening here.

 

[malclave]

A great example is that incident where a bunch of anti-war protesters showed up at a funeral for a soldier who died in Iraq a year or so ago. Another group of protesters (those Patriotic Riders or something) showed up and drowned out the first group of protesters. The anti-war protesters tried to sue. Problem is, if you have the right to protest, everybody else has the right to protest you.

(Just as a note, I wouldn't categorize Phelps and his group as "anti-war protestors"... the protestors at the funerals are absolutely detestable. While I do have certain... doubts.. about the motives of SOME of the people protesting the war in Iraq, not even they inspire the same disgust as Phelps and his ilk.)