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Sandris, your productivity and the beauty of your units is astounding. Russia was one of the under-represented civs when it came to units. No more!
Thanks for all your work!
Thanks for all your work!
Russian Units Pack, part 4: Forgotten Pack
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I wish I had an army of elves.
I picked up Russian Civ spontaneously. Actually, I was planning making Roman or Gallic units.
The point of the spear. It looks to much like a stone attached to a pole with a rope, and not enough like a steel point.
Ares de Borg
Norman Knight
I agree, just change the spear and he will be perfect.
You've been doing a lot of agreeing with me recently.I agree, just change the spear and he will be perfect.
embryodead
Caliph
What period is he supposed to be? He looks very Byzantine-influenced, like Rus', but not Polish (we had more German influences). I know the pic comes from that online wargame which repeats pictures for many nations, which could be the case, though so far I wasn't able to find anything better, at least from before 15c. I'm going to browse the MTW forums for some Osprey pieces unless that's set in stone already.
Ares de Borg
Norman Knight
The shield is okay as is, you can choose if you want it to be civ-colored or not-
embryodead
Caliph
Well sorry for intervening into your request, but while the shield and the whole unit is very nice, it's just not Polish 
He just has absolutely nothing Polish in it, and instead it has the Eastern/Russian/Byzantine helmet and shield.
Here's some Polish spearmen from 10-13c. (1 or even 2 of them are actually knights - we didn't use heavy infantry until maybe 14-15c, when it looked even more Western)
He just has absolutely nothing Polish in it, and instead it has the Eastern/Russian/Byzantine helmet and shield.Here's some Polish spearmen from 10-13c. (1 or even 2 of them are actually knights - we didn't use heavy infantry until maybe 14-15c, when it looked even more Western)
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
The guy in the midle sure has a big cell phone..
I agree that these guys look alot more Polish.
I agree that these guys look alot more Polish.
Polish or not, I like that model Sandris is working on a lot.
These guys, however, are wicked. Because, uh, they look like the Germans could use them too. I'd love some Ottonian Germans or something. Yeah. Eloquent me.
Ares de Borg
Norman Knight
The guy in front of the Knight looks very similar to my request. He is heavily armored, wears a pointed helmet, and well, he's Polish.
Maybe the Master could change his shield, so you all can stop whining
and we all will be happy. Deal?
I've added your units to my mod, they really look wonderfull, and give a unique and consistent look to Russia.
There's another unit you could do that would be much welcome: a medieval Russian army.
There's another unit you could do that would be much welcome: a medieval Russian army.
So, what shield (form, colors) should we get for the Polish guy ?
Exactly, Steph. I was thinking about a medieval Russian Army too. And what about the palette difference between one for ordinary units and for an Army ?
Exactly, Steph. I was thinking about a medieval Russian Army too. And what about the palette difference between one for ordinary units and for an Army ?
Well, I'm cheating when I make army units. I think it may be wiser to PM Wyrmshadow, he made several army units I'm sure he can help.
Basically, it's almost the same palette, except you have 4 more rows for army specific stuff, so you have only 96 colours available (except smoke, shadow, civ colour)...
But I may have skipped some specificities
Ares de Borg
Norman Knight
Another Polish guy, on horseback, left:
Again: scale armor, pointed helmet.
As for the shield: Personally, I'd leave it as is because this kind of shield was used all over Europe. Otherwise, a large round shield would do.
Again: scale armor, pointed helmet.
As for the shield: Personally, I'd leave it as is because this kind of shield was used all over Europe. Otherwise, a large round shield would do.
embryodead
Caliph
The helmet is a Russian helmet, Shishak. A rough translation of the polish article: "Four shishaks from around 10-11c were found in Poland. They were produced in Rus, while the design originally comes from Persia." Also here is something in English. Case in point: 5 of the 6 guys on your pictures wear round/conical helmets. It's just wrong to put something typically Russian and attribute it to another country.
Scale armor was used by early Polish heavy cavalry, as on the picture. The rest have, correctly, leather/chain. With scale armor, shishak and round/oval shield it could be a 10th century heavy cavalryman, but as it stands now it's just a troop that was never used in Poland.
As for the shield, it was common in Europe, yes, but there's a reason it is attributed to specific peoples and territories. You can find pictures of Norman Knights with round shields too, but you wouldn't make such a unit. A more specific shields would be the pavise-design (held by infantry on the Osprey cover) as it comes from Poland/Bohemia, and an almond-shaped kite shield.
Personally, I'd leave it as it is, and call it Russian Guard
Wyrmshadow
Deity
I just exported the pallete from the default army and worked with that as a starting point.
What I did was create an empty palette, with Cyan as color for all the army specific rows, and then reduced the number of colours of the storyboard to 96, and used PEdit to store these colours in the empty rows of the palette.
It means my army unit do not use the army specific indexes at all.
It means my army unit do not use the army specific indexes at all.
