Russian UU

[Loppan Torkel]

Just wondering if Cossacks really is the right unit for Russia. Didn't they make a greater influence in the world during the Soviet-era, which in that case should be the time when they get a UU to trigger a golden age.
I just got some trouble to come up with a good unit, but it should be from somewhere around the 60's, if I'm not totally wrong.

Anyone got some suggestions?!

 

[Philips beard]

Cossacks did well raiding the retreating french army from Russia in 1812, and that was not the Soviet era!

 

[Gelion]

In my view Cossacs are a good Russian/Ukraninan Unit. They colonized most of Syberia, protected Eastern Russia from Nomades, South from Tatars and Turcs, fought against Poles. Cossacks were always loyal to the government unless it decided to restrict their freedom and demonstrated courage and loyalty in every major Russian War.
Although from 1922 Russia was a part of USSR and in that time many military and scientific discoveries were made. I would put T-34, or Katushya as my second choice of a special unit for Russia. Third choice would be a special partisan unit .

 

[Philips beard]

In my view Cossacs are a good Russian/Ukraninan Unit. They colonized most of Syberia, protected Eastern Russia from Nomades, South from Tatars and Turcs, fought against Poles. Cossacks were always loyal to the government unless it decided to restrict their freedom and demonstrated courage and loyalty in every major Russian War.
Although from 1922 Russia was a part of USSR and in that time many military and scientific discoveries were made. I would put T-34, or Katushya as my second choice of a special unit for Russia. Third choice would be a special partisan unit .

Yeah agree! Another choice could be the MIG!

It's nothing wrong in using an unit from the USSR era, afterall lots of people still called the USSR for Russia, and all the Soviet republics where also a part of the royal russian empire!

 

[Jay1b]

The USSR power in the sixties wasnt just down to one or two special units, 1 for 1 the allies would win every time. The USSRs power come from strength of numbers (and lack of care for civilians). I reckon there UU should be a WEAKENED infantry type unit, but be extra cheap. Say 4/9/1 (instead of 6/10/1) but be half the amount of shields.

 

[Philips beard]

What about a Typhoon class Nuclear sub, able to transport 2 nukes or 4 cruisers, and with greater movement-attack-defence abilities! Would be a Monster at the seas!

 

[sealman]

The Cossack is a fine choice for Russia.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Yea, a unique nuclear sub would suit them well, even if they weren't in combat as much as the Cossacks it would represent Soviet in that time as well as the peak of the cold war, but maybe they should be made cheaper instead of better!?

It's not that I'm complaining about the Cossacks, they are a good choice, but since the UU should come during the golden age of each nation, I thought that that even if the Cold war was a troublesome time it might be a better choice for Russia:s golden age. Afterall that's probably when they made the greatest impact on the world.

 

[Gelion]

Russias Golden Age was in 1700's. So Cossacs suit Russia fine.
And Jay1b I don't want to reply to the crap you wrote. "West is best" don't get you far in the bigger world. I love the Western cultures and people, but attitude like this about my country makes me mad. I'm trying not to be one-sided and wish others try it too.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Were Russia as powerful in the 1700's as in the 1950's and 60's you say?!
They couldn't be at a global scale due to the technological advancement, so I guess it's arbitrary(?) when their Golden age was, it boils down to how to define the Golden age...

 

[Gelion]

True. But historians officially define Russia's Golden age during the reign of Catherine the I. I do not define the Golden Age as mere best technological advances. For me it is the wealth and spirit of the nation that make a Golden Age. Never associate Golden Age with pure power...
What are your criterias?

 

[Richard Cribb]

Except for agreeing totally with Gelion, I also want to point of that the civilization is indeed Russia, NOT the USSR even if ignorant people confused those two. Just look at the names of the cities, no Kiev, no Minsk etc. In my opinion, the cossack is an excellent choice in my opinion.

 

[sealman]

Except for agreeing totally with Gelion, I also want to point of that the civilization is indeed Russia, NOT the USSR even if ignorant people confused those two. Just look at the names of the cities, no Kiev, no Minsk etc. In my opinion, the cossack is an excellent choice in my opinion.

Glad someone else is picking up the banner.

Russia does not equal the Soviet Union.

 

[Colonel]

give them the mig or the revoultionary or maybe a medival calvary to represent Ivan the Terrible army that conquered alot

 

[Loppan Torkel]

No I'm not ignorant, noone in this thread has confused Russia from Soviet union.
Soviet has played a major role during the 20th century yet it's not a civ in the game.
Why? maybe because Russia by far was the most influential nation in the union which made the developers of civ3 feel it redundant to include both, and between them Russia is the far more appropriate choice to include.
However I see a close connection between the Soviet Union and Russia, even though I understand that they're not the same, and find it hard to believe that you don't do the same.


I think the criterias for when the Golden age-triggering units should become available, would be when the civ's reallife counterpart was able to make the greatest impact on the rest of the world, so i guess it's pretty powerfocused. But this is for me the civ3 golden age criteria, if they manage to make civ4 less focused on war and more on cultural/religious/scientific achievments it might change. The objectives in civ3 often is to take over the world in one way or another....
And what I meant by the tech. advancement was that you would have to compare the power to the other nations at the time to see the relative power of the nation and when it was most powerful. Not math exactly..

 

[bob rulz]

Russia is not the same as the Soviet Union, but the Soviet Union is practically the same as Russia.

And in Civ3, isn't Russia's favored gov communism?

 

[sealman]

No I'm not ignorant, noone in this thread has confused Russia from Soviet union.
Soviet has played a major role during the 20th century yet it's not a civ in the game.
Why? maybe because Russia by far was the most influential nation in the union which made the developers of civ3 feel it redundant to include both, and between them Russia is the far more appropriate choice to include.
However I see a close connection between the Soviet Union and Russia, even though I understand that they're not the same, and find it hard to believe that you don't do the same.

I can't speak for luceafarul but it does appear in some threads that there are some people who seem ignorant of the fact that the Soviet Union and Russia are two seperate countries/nations/civs.

While I would welcome a Soviet Union civ into the game, there must be a clear distinction between the two.

 

[ManOfMiracles]

And in Civ3, isn't Russia's favored gov communism?

Just one of the inconsistancies in the game.

There was a time when royalty from all over Europe would summer in St. Petersburg. Of course that was also the time of much royal inbreeding resulting in some weak bloodlines. Genetics aside, is that not the era the designers consider representative of Russia?

 

[Longasc]

Calm down, in Civ1, Stalin was the leaderhead, so they probably had a redundancy in mind when putting in Russia.

I call this "is Russia the Soviet Union or not" nitpicking. Then I want a distinction in the Germans of the Roman Age, the Germany of WW1 and the Nazi-Germany of WW2, too. This would be too much IMO.

The T-34 and the Katyusha Rocket Launcher would make great UU's, too.

But I find all industrial era UU's come by far too late to be really that useful to me.

 

[sealman]

...I call this "is Russia the Soviet Union or not" nitpicking...

It is, which is why I normally point it out when I start on this topic in a thread. I was late this time and luceafarul beat me to it this time.