Saladin No cottages Immortal

[Mutineer]

Yes, I think we should trade biology to Asoka for war with Toky and all his gold and attack Bismark as soon as posible. Need to rebase army and prepare to invade that annoing german city as first priority. Need to increase defence on border with germany.

I am not sure how long it take for AI to regonitiate defence pact?

Qwack , what is your status?

 

[Qwack]

yeah im back. Im rather pleased to see you guys took care of isabella .

 

[Mutineer]

well, you on then!

 

[Qwack]

Ok turns completed. Start off by bribing Asoka to declare since thats what the team agreed on. Very good move, check out the action...



We pop a great prophet in Mecca, and combining him with the artist we had idling in Beijing, start our first golden age. Seems to be best option with our large empire now. Steam power in 1770, set research to assembly line. Look at power graph. Lol, I never saw AI doing this to another AI, tokugawa will probably be easy target after bismarck.



So anyways, after setting up our army at the borders, declare war in 1795. Heres the super warplan I drew up




Anyways, I guess it was pretty pointless to keep so much of our army back near Stuttgard, but hey, its 4:17 AM . We should let bismarck attack our city first, then counter him with our cannons and backline army. If everything goes correctly, we should have control over all of bismarck's cities in 15-20 turns.

In terms of victory, I think we are in pretty good position here for either backdoor diplomatic or domination win. If we go backdoor diplo, we should probably beeline start to mass media after assembly line, and not draft/whip anything while we build UN, all our farms/land will give us enough pop to vote ourself in. I dont think asoka can build spaceship before we build UN and vote ourself in.

[edit] Also watch out for a big stack in the fog near Munich.

Save:

 

[uberfish]

Remember we can sneak through Cyrus territory to get the eastern cities. His culture will expand when we take out Germany, but if we build the UN he should vote for us and we can ally with him against Japan. (If we want to win by outright domination we have to backstab him at some point to win though - or attack India. Actually taking out India would be fun if it's possible, since he built so many cottages.)

I notice Asoka had artillery in 1750, hope he doesn't do too well against Toku.

Cyrus has Mil tradition for sale now, we could trade that off him maybe and build west point in Beijing instead of ironworks. Not sure if either of them are really going to have much impact now.

 

[Mutineer]

Turn 0, noticed german sea stack.
Start emnergency draft.
Turn 1 took that german city.
He drop stak near our city, more draft
Set research to Rairoads, as we need it for our spread empire.
Turn 2, Buismark got infantry and upgraded al his units to it in one turn.
Turn 3 beat up german stack.
After that it was not mach problem, but we had to attack with a lot of cyicide cannons.
Mixture of infantry/Machine guns dificult to kill otherwize.
Took 3 more german cities.

I did not revolt to anything, buyt I think now is the time for Mercantenilism.
Turn 0-10 whiping cannons in Munich troving overflow into Globe theater.
Hoppefully we build it befor we got -20 we can not forget your cruil oppression.

Toky does not do well, he lost 3 cities. I was trying to broker peace for him = no luck. We need to move on him as soon as posible after germans.

ON turn 8 I had to go, so playing last 2 turns 3 hour later, after Dance

 

[uberfish]

Wait... who was it who said "girls are bad for your health and your wallet" again?

 

[ThERat]

ON turn 8 I had to go, so playing last 2 turns 3 hour later, after Dance

girls, girls, girls...

 

[Mutineer]

uberfish, you on. I plaed last 2 turns befor posting.
Just read my post and realised I used a wrong tense.

 

[uberfish]

How would we like to finish this?

Diplo with cyrus voting for us?

Backstab cyrus?

Or do we want a big showdown with Asoka? That would be fun...

 

[Mutineer]

Well, befor we do that we need to clean up Germans and Japanise, then we can decide.

Right now I have no idea how near we will be after taking on 2 of this.
I am a bit afraid showdown with Asoka. We will be military backward and it is immortal AI with well promoted units from his wars with Toky.

May be we will get enogth land if we finsiedh everyone and settle this islands, if no one did that befor.

 

[ThERat]

the game is more or less won, isn't it. Thus I would like a showdown with Asoka. Diplo win in CIV is broken IMHO. Whoever came up with this concept of number of votes = number of pop....

 

[uberfish]

Preturn - Hire a lot of specialists, clear all the 'emphasize food and growth' governor settings that are stopping the governors from auto-hiring specialists.


Railroad -> astronomy.

Whip globe theatre in Munich, finally the city is happy.

Revolt to mercantilism (that costs us a bomb but also slows down Asoka) and organized religion as we are building more infrastructure. I want the pentagon.

Our troops loot all the German cottages to pay our scientists while converging on Fred's last city.



Since TheRat is up next, and he agrees we should be fighting Asoka the evil cottage spammer, I decide not to bother attacking Toku (who doesn't have any more towns to pillage anyway as Asoka already pillaged him to death) and instead prepare to invade India. Most of our troops get sent to Persia near the Indian border.

Switch astronomy to combustion before it completes, might as well squeeze a last drop of usefulness out of the Colossus, we need oil anyway. Give railroad to cyrus more or less for free (divine right + 20 gold) so he'll railroad his territory for us.

Asoka may be ahead in tech, but his western border is weakly defended and he doesn't have a transport fleet in sight. I decide there's no point just waiting for our current army to go obsolete and declare war anyway, revealing that we have giving Asoka too many resources for no reason. Fortunately all these are now cancelled:



Capture Pasagardae. If Asoka turns up with a huge stack somewhere, we can probably get ceasefire with no problem anyway, and at worst we can pillage lots of towns.

We get an engineer, I use him to partial rush the Pentagon at Shanghai and set Beijing to build West Point and Mecca on Wall Street. Wonder if someone changed our civ name to America while we weren't looking?

Combustion -> Astronomy (we sure got our money's worth from that colossus) -> Physics (due in 5)

Split our forces into two to threaten two different cities and for better pillaging.



Save:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/Mutineer_NC3_AD-1840.Civ4SavedGame

Have fun. Westpoint and pentagon are due in 3 turns for elite troops.

 

[Qwack]

I guess we're going for domination... again

 

[uberfish]

It just doesn't seem... fitting to finish the win in an immortal variant game by just beating up on the weakest AI. Without at least trying to take on the strongest.

 

[ThERat]

got it, late tonight...some fighting yet again

I guess we're going for domination... again

well, on such a high level anything but beating up the AI won't do. As much as CIV pretends to have a wider variety of gameplay than C3C, the reality tells me otherwise

 

[Mutineer]

Well, taking on Toky was brinning enogth land for domination. You want exitment? hmmm...
Hmm... Go after Asoka with that pathetic excuse of an army, hmmm....
Let just hope he does not have many SODS around.

I think after physics we need electricity or our economy will be in trouble.


Bahdad in starvation TheRat, need correction.

 

[uberfish]

I can win by spaceship relatively peacefully at immortal (need a land grab if boxed in early of course)

Not with no-cottages though, the late game economy just doesn't cut it. Great lighthouse and Colossus completely saved us this game, I think being able to run an economy based on those two wonders until past Industrial age counts as variety no?

Physics -> electricity -> industrialism -> mass tanks I think, we will be able to take 2 more cities surely so we can get peace if we need. Anyway Mutineer isn't the only one who does crazy stuff here!

 

[ThERat]

I compleyetly agree with uberfish's approach to take on Asoka, at the very least we will wipe out his nice towns and 'destroy' his research capability.

I can win by spaceship relatively peacefully at immortal

I don't consider the CIV space ship a victory, it an awful element of this game.

I know muti always says CIV is better than C3C, but in terms of victory conditions, it completely su$$%. 2/5 conditions are dumb or broken (UN/SS), culture victory has been altered into a weird thing (I remember my crazy SG AW games with 50k culture in 1 city, now that was a challenge). This leaves dom/con

 

[Mutineer]

Heh, I am not complayning, but I tend to be a conservative one. Go for sure win!

Oh well, on a bright side we can get to cautious with Toky with our Civic and military stragle bonus! LoL